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Post by
Adamsm
Well to be fair the interview says 'final raid tier' not final boss...but not buying it; I see us taking down him at 6.2 or 6.3 then the true enemy shows up and we spend the rest of the expac dealing with the lead up and the fall out.
Post by
Morec0
So ... end boss reveal?
Crossing my fingers its a fake out.
End boss reveal? Grommash? I thought that was obvious from the start, or am I missing something?
Post by
Stabhorn
That's stupid, they said a long time ago that it wasn't Grom.
Post by
Adamsm
That's stupid, they said a long time ago that it wasn't Grom.
Actually they never did; this was what they had made the comment about at last Blizzcon...however, again, the interview says Final Raid Tier, not final boss.
Post by
Rankkor
The thing that stuck to me the most is that the new legendary is gonna be a ring :(
What happened to the old days when
WEAPONS
were the legendaries?
There's no visual flair in a cloak or a ring. Sure the wings are nice and all, but they don't come even remotely close to what a weapon does for visual style.
It was bad enough that they moved from weapon to cloak, now its a ring an item that we can't even see (yes they said it will have a visual proc, bleh, its still an invisible item)
U_U
I'm also calling BS on Grom being the final boss.
Post by
Adamsm
Version 2
; much better then the original video...but then again, this is what, couple of years later?
Post by
Rankkor
Version 2
; much better then the original video...but then again, this is what, couple of years later?
Given that the original was made a few weeks before the launch of TBC, I'd say its more than just "a couple" of years :P
Post by
morginar
Slightly disapointed by how easy Manoroth was killed...
Why? he was killed in a single hit just like in Warcraft 3. Even ten years later, Mannoroth is
STILL
Grom's BIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAACH! =P
Sinlge hit? Doomhammer did nothing, he K/O Thrall by hiting the ground. And Grom died with Mannoroth. This cinematic fells like they nerfed Mannoroth, Gul'dan, demons and warlocks and buffed technology, orcs and warriors.
Steampunk orc warrior is beter than demonic harbringers of doom that destroys planets for a living?
The thing that stuck to me the most is that the new legendary is gonna be a ring :(
What happened to the old days when
WEAPONS
were the legendaries?
There's no visual flair in a cloak or a ring. Sure the wings are nice and all, but they don't come even remotely close to what a weapon does for visual style.
It was bad enough that they moved from weapon to cloak, now its a ring an item that we can't even see (yes they said it will have a visual proc, bleh, its still an invisible item)
U_U Atleast you don't get a horrid cloak trashing your t-mog again... Will there be more legies than the ring?
I'm also calling BS on Grom being the final boss.
Me 2 bro. Steampunk orc warrior warlord thingy got nothing on demonic overlords.
And I liked the vannila, TBC cinematic when they had random races doing things, It felt like they refered to us players doing stuff and evolving. And that blood elf eating mana wyrm and dreanei paladin being confussed by the exodar driving manual.
Evil monologe is dull by comparison.
Post by
Rankkor
Slightly disapointed by how easy Manoroth was killed...
Why? he was killed in a single hit just like in Warcraft 3. Even ten years later, Mannoroth is
STILL
Grom's BIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAACH! =P
Sinlge hit? Doomhammer did nothing, he K/O Thrall by hiting the ground. And Grom died with Mannoroth. This cinematic fells like they nerfed Mannoroth, Gul'dan, demons and warlocks and buffed technology, orcs and warriors.
Steampunk orc warrior is beter than demonic harbringers of doom that destroys planets for a living?
Not quite, on the original fight, Thrall tried to fight him off with magic, and it failed, and yes he knocked down thrall in a single hit, but that's when grom enrages, charges at him, and cleaves him right through his weapon and armor in a single hit.
On this version, something similar happen, they try to kill him off with technology (first bombs, then a harpoon with chains, then a bigger bomb) and neither of those put a dent on him, so how is he finished off? same way as the main timeline, a single hit from gorehowl.
No magic, no tech, just straight up orc brutality.
Post by
morginar
And that brutality got Grom killed, now it fells cheapened, not even burnmarks or green skin from the exposure to fel.
Post by
Adamsm
Grom was saved because unlike last time, Garrosh knew that Annihilan self destruct when they are defeated, so he knew to knock his father out of the way of the explosion.
Post by
Rankkor
Grom was saved because unlike last time,
Garrosh knew that Annihilan self destruct when they are defeated
, so he knew to knock his father out of the way of the explosion.
This is something that has also bugged me for YEARS. No they do not bro'.
Think of every single pit lord we've killed (and we've killed plenty) and how many of them explode when killed? None. And one could argue that "only the really powerful do" but Magtheridon was just as powerful as Mannoroth, and he didn't explode when killed.
So why does mannoroth spontaneously combusts and explodes upon death when no other pitlord does?
Its even more glaring this time because on Warcraft 3 Mannoroth really does explodes, and after the explosion, nothing of him remains. But here, he explodes........... and after the explosion we see his perfectly intact corpse with Gorehowl embedded on the skull. No scorch marks, no sings of damage other than the head wound.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
matheus314
I really liked the video and the story from the WoD cinematic. Specially with all the build up from the last week comic and all. And I'll not be saying here that it was a fail cinematic.
But, my problem with it lies within the story part. It doesn't look like an opening cinematic for WoD. Mind you, everytime you'll play the game, when you open it, that cinematic will play (unless you disable it, but that's not the point), so you want something that lead you into the game. What was presented was a cool story that is not showing the real threat that the Iron Horde represent to us.
I'll not call for it to be undone, because it is awesome enough. But what I was looking to see on it was:
- Alliance and Horde living the life after Garrosh's fall (and escape).
- Dark Portal goes red and starts pouring Iron Horde from it.
- Blasted Lands get dominated by the Iron Horde, and now we have to push them back. (technically, that's the point where the expansion will begin)
THAT'S what this expansion is about. Invasion. Destruction. Menace. Not JUST a piece of lore on the Iron Horde (I do not consider the Iron Horde a part of the Horde Orcs, because they're the baddies, not the ones that will help the Azerothian Orcs).
Maybe they could've done this cinematic a 2 part, the one showed yesterday as a prologue and the 3 points I've mentioned above as the closing. It'd give a bigger scenary build for the expansion.
Post by
Adamsm
Grom was saved because unlike last time,
Garrosh knew that Annihilan self destruct when they are defeated
, so he knew to knock his father out of the way of the explosion.
This is something that has also bugged me for YEARS. No they do not bro'.
Think of every single pit lord we've killed (and we've killed plenty) and how many of them explode when killed? None. And one could argue that "only the really powerful do" but Magtheridon was just as powerful as Mannoroth, and he didn't explode when killed.
So why does mannoroth spontaneously combusts and explodes upon death when no other pitlord does?
Its even more glaring this time because on Warcraft 3 Mannoroth really does explodes, and after the explosion, nothing of him remains. But here, he explodes........... and after the explosion we see his perfectly intact corpse with Gorehowl embedded on the skull. No scorch marks, no sings of damage other than the head wound.
Game play segregation from Lore? I know they don't when we fight them, but then again, we haven't seen many others die lore wise. Could be it was just something they don't want to add into the game but fine let me fix that for you: Garrosh knew that Mannoroth was going to explode so he saved his father. There that better?
Post by
Rankkor
it still bugs me. Not just about the explosion when no other pitlord killed has shown that, but also because after the explosion, Mannoroth's body is just fine in the WoD cinematic.
I guess I'm over-analyzing this =/
Post by
Stabhorn
Grom was saved because unlike last time,
Garrosh knew that Annihilan self destruct when they are defeated
, so he knew to knock his father out of the way of the explosion.
This is something that has also bugged me for YEARS. No they do not bro'.
Think of every single pit lord we've killed (and we've killed plenty) and how many of them explode when killed? None. And one could argue that "only the really powerful do" but Magtheridon was just as powerful as Mannoroth, and he didn't explode when killed.
So why does mannoroth spontaneously combusts and explodes upon death when no other pitlord does?
Its even more glaring this time because on Warcraft 3 Mannoroth really does explodes, and after the explosion, nothing of him remains. But here, he explodes........... and after the explosion we see his perfectly intact corpse with Gorehowl embedded on the skull. No scorch marks, no sings of damage other than the head wound.
Game play segregation from Lore? I know they don't when we fight them, but then again, we haven't seen many others die lore wise. Could be it was just something they don't want to add into the game but fine let me fix that for you: Garrosh knew that Mannoroth was going to explode so he saved his father. There that better?
I always assumed that Mannoroth was simply so 'in tune' with the fel magic, that it all rushed out of him when he died, causing the explosion.
Post by
Adamsm
it still bugs me. Not just about the explosion when no other pitlord killed has shown that, but also because after the explosion, Mannoroth's body is just fine in the WoD cinematic.
I guess I'm over-analyzing this =/
You is; since if Manny's body was gone completely, Garrosh wouldn't have been able to make shoulder pads out of his tusks and Thrall wouldn't have been to make that big ass memorial out of his skull and armour.
I always assumed that Mannoroth was simply so 'in tune' with the fel magic, that it all rushed out of him when he died, causing the explosion.
Also plausible.
Post by
morginar
I think it is alot game mechanic or it might have been in early beta but changed due to number of people dying when killing a pitlord, just to do a corpse run and then loot.
I always assumed that Mannoroth was simply so 'in tune' with the fel magic, that it all rushed out of him when he died, causing the explosion.
I would have worded it, so filled up with fel. Chaotic energy circulating in his veins releasing in one moment.
Edit: Didn't a similar explosion happen with archimonde?
Post by
Adamsm
No, Archimonde was blown to &*!@ by a huge number of self destructing Wisps that Mal summoned to eliminate him.
Post by
morginar
He exploded when he died and burned the land and tained the world tree.
I bet it's similar death explosion to Mannoroth than the whisps to took all his (morning)wood.
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