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Post by
Adamsm
She is in the Iron Horde Morec; already been confirmed.
Post by
Morec0
She is in the Iron Horde Morec; already been confirmed.
Then all that remains to be seen is with whom her loyalties lie (betting on Gul'dan, personally; that background imp!)
Post by
Rankkor
She is in the Iron Horde Morec; already been confirmed.
Then all that remains to be seen is with whom her loyalties lie
In fact, I was the one who confirmed it
here
several days ago
:(
Having a leader, however, goes against what little we know of the clan during the time of the Old Horde
A lot of the clans are different on this timeline. For example, the Blackrocks of this alternate draenor are expert Engineers. The Bleeding Hollow all ritually remove their left eyes to receive a vision of how they'll die, so they can challenge that death, and so on.
Many other things also didn't went like they did on the original timeline. For example the frostwolves refusing to join the horde, and having no Warchief to rule the entire horde.
but given she is not represented as one of the Warlords of the Iron Horde during the introduction zone it is possible.
Nah. The Thunderlord Chieftain is also not shown, because at first, he's trying to prove himself to the iron horde. Chances are, the same deal goes for the Burning Blade clan.
Post by
Skreeran
Very interesting. Kitanga was half-Burning Blade, and that's where her rage thing came from, but Blizzard very rarely felt like bringing them up.
Post by
matheus314
Now that Vol'jin is the Horde Warchief, will there be a second in command on the Darkspears? I'd say it'll be hard to deal with both matters together... I mean... IS THERE another Troll that'd be good enough to help Vol'jin with this?
Post by
Morec0
Now that Vol'jin is the Horde Warchief, will there be a second in command on the Darkspears? I'd say it'll be hard to deal with both matters together... I mean... IS THERE another Troll that'd be good enough to help Vol'jin with this?
Rokahn? I seriously think the guy needs more screen time. Or, hell, how about that troll druidess chick? I feel like she could have a really interesting character if Blizzard put some effort into it.
Post by
Skreeran
So I see things like
this
or
this
, and maybe it's just my role as resident Orc specialist, but I can't help think either standpoints--tree hugging shamanistic hippie vs. savage, bloodthirsty killers--are really true. I've put a lot of work into putting perceive the orcish mindset, on account of all my orc characters; I think that they do tend to be brutal, aggressive, and animalistic, but their culture and cultural mindsets have been shaped by their environments. At the same time, I think they were also honorable, deeply spiritual, and from a certain perspective, just. I don't include Thrall at all anymore in my standards for orcs, because I realized that he was not brought up within Orcish culture, and those who were should not be expected to reflect his personal mindset.
I've actually decided to write a short essay on the matter of the Orcish mindset, to compliment my previous piece
Zeitgeist: An Orcish Time Capsule
. At least for my own sake, and perhaps I'll send it in as a guest column for WoW Insider or something.
Post by
Adamsm
Good luck Skree, hopefully they'll take it =)
Post by
Rankkor
I cleaned up your thread skree. But I accidentally ended up removing your red border :S please tell me you can put it back again, I'd hate to have done something bad to your account. I didn't mean to U_U
Now that Vol'jin is the Horde Warchief, will there be a second in command on the Darkspears?
Why? Thrall was warchief of the horde, and there was no second in command for the orcs. Ditto during Garrosh's reign.
For that matter, Varian is
warchief
high king of the alliance, but he's also the human leader.
Malfurion is leader of the cenarion circle, but he's also leader of the night elves.
I'll admit it will be weird to see how they accomodate the new warchief though.
A non-orc sitting on the throne of orgrimmar, capital of the orcs. The alternative is to have Vol'jin stay on the echo isles, but then that would also be weird. The leader of the horde in a tiny island with practically no defenses at all.
Post by
Adamsm
Malfurion is leader of the cenarion circle, but he's also leader of the night elves.Co-leader at most; the High Priestess is the true leader of the Night Elf nation.
Post by
Skreeran
I cleaned up your thread skree. But I accidentally ended up removing your red border :S please tell me you can put it back again, I'd hate to have done something bad to your account. I didn't mean to U_UDon't worry about that man... :P I appreciate the work on that thread. It just looked so ugly having an academic-type thread with a flame war and a lock.
Also, grats on the upper-case R in your name... :P
I'll admit it will be weird to see how they accomodate the new warchief though.
A non-orc sitting on the throne of orgrimmar, capital of the orcs. The alternative is to have Vol'jin stay on the echo isles, but then that would also be weird. The leader of the horde in a tiny island with practically no defenses at all.I wanna say it will just go back to the way it was back before Cataclysm, with the troll and orc racial leaders in the same room.
I mean, there might be gameplay reasons for Blizzard to want to keep them apart (PvP raids, for example), but that's what makes the most sense storywise.
Post by
Morec0
I cleaned up your thread skree. But I accidentally ended up removing your red border :S please tell me you can put it back again, I'd hate to have done something bad to your account. I didn't mean to U_UDon't worry about that man... :P I appreciate the work on that thread. It just looked so ugly having an academic-type thread with a flame war and a lock.
Also, grats on the upper-case R in your name... :P
I'll admit it will be weird to see how they accomodate the new warchief though.
A non-orc sitting on the throne of orgrimmar, capital of the orcs. The alternative is to have Vol'jin stay on the echo isles, but then that would also be weird. The leader of the horde in a tiny island with practically no defenses at all.I wanna say it will just go back to the way it was back before Cataclysm, with the troll and orc racial leaders in the same room.
I mean, there might be gameplay reasons for Blizzard to want to keep them apart (PvP raids, for example), but that's what makes the most sense storywise.
Not to mention with the addition to Genn to the Alliance throne room it would make perfect sense to balance them out!
Post by
Adamsm
Course Gallywix is still MIA in game so there's a missing faction leader.
Post by
Rankkor
I cleaned up your thread skree. But I accidentally ended up removing your red border :S please tell me you can put it back again, I'd hate to have done something bad to your account. I didn't mean to U_UDon't worry about that man... :P
Uff, thank god :P I'm still a noob mod, and when I saw you no longer had your red border, I had a mini-freak out. (Frantically scanning the Mod tab to see if I mis-clicked something, trying futilely to put it back the way it was xD....... and then nonchalantly logging out of the site, whistling like I did absolutely nothing conspicuous.)
I appreciate the work on that thread.
Just doing my job ;)
But you're welcome.
It just looked so ugly having an academic-type thread with a flame war and a lock.
Aye. I'm sad to say in the past I've made similar mistakes to the ones that guy did on that thread, but I'd like to think I've improved since then. I looked back at some of my first posts on this website back in 2009 (and even some of my more recent ones where I let my tone needlessly get out of hand)...........and man was I an idiot X_X
Also, grats on the upper-case R in your name... :P
You're only noticing that now? D= I've had that since even before becoming a localizer, all the way back to February 2013. I also had them remove the second r on my name (Turning "rankkorr" into "Rankkor")
I'll admit it will be weird to see how they accomodate the new warchief though.
A non-orc sitting on the throne of orgrimmar, capital of the orcs. The alternative is to have Vol'jin stay on the echo isles, but then that would also be weird. The leader of the horde in a tiny island with practically no defenses at all.I wanna say it will just go back to the way it was back before Cataclysm, with the troll and orc racial leaders in the same room.
Ya but that one wasn't weird, that one was the leader of the orcs, in the throne of the orc city, and the leader of the trolls, next to him as an advisor. Just like Greymane is next to Varian.
But having Vol'jin on that throne and Thrall next to him, would be as weird as Varian getting killed, Greymane becoming the new leader of the alliance, and its him sitting on the throne of stormwind, while Anduin, the newly crowned king of stormwind, has to be by the side on his own kingdom.
Its just weird.
I mean, there might be gameplay reasons for Blizzard to want to keep them apart (PvP raids, for example), but that's what makes the most sense storywise.
When it comes to game mechanics they can always balance them so that they have roughly the same HP as a single entity, which is what they did with the Council of Three Hammers. So if both of them have to be in the same room, there's no reason to separate them for pvp.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
matheus314
Course Gallywix is still MIA in game so there's a missing faction leader.
Does
High Tinker Mekkatorque
counts? Because he's not atackable by hordies.
Post by
Rankkor
Course Gallywix is still MIA in game so there's a missing faction leader.
Does
High Tinker Mekkatorque
counts?
Yes, because he's present in the world, and can be seen, can be talked to, and even gives you a few quests here and there.
Gallywix however completely vanishes after the goblin starting zone, and is nowhere to be seen. He's not even mentioned at all. Were it not for the short story (The blank scroll) and his brief cameo in SoO, nobody could be blamed for thinking he died offscreen and we just never got the memo.
Because he's not atackable by hordies.
Hmmm.... now I'm wondering if Vol'jin on the echo isles is attackable by alliance.
Either way, neither of these two (Mekkatorque and Gallywix) even provides an achievement for killing (Nor does, for that matter, Vol'jin, or Greymane)
Post by
morginar
Malfurion is not attackable by horde (I think?)
Atleast he doesn't mind horde butchering his wife.
Post by
Skreeran
You're only noticing that now? D= I've had that since even before becoming a localizer, all the way back to February 2013. I also had them remove the second r on my name (Turning "rankkorr" into "Rankkor")Aww, I can't believe I didn't notice it sooner. I thought you had it changed when you got promoted to mod.
I guess I was pretty involved in planning this move back then.
I wanna say it will just go back to the way it was back before Cataclysm, with the troll and orc racial leaders in the same room.
Ya but that one wasn't weird, that one was the leader of the orcs, in the throne of the orc city, and the leader of the trolls, next to him as an advisor. Just like Greymane is next to Varian.
But having Vol'jin on that throne and Thrall next to him, would be as weird as Varian getting killed, Greymane becoming the new leader of the alliance, and its him sitting on the throne of stormwind, while Anduin, the newly crowned king of stormwind, has to be by the side on his own kingdom.
Its just weird.Well it makes sense. Vol'jin's the Warchief. Most of the Horde leadership is centered in Orgimmar. That's their most well-defended city.
It seems no more absurd to me as the Governer of Texas being elected President and moving to Washington D.C. That's where the politics are, that's where the power is. Sure, Vol'jin could stay on the Echo Isles, but that would mean moving a significant portion of their armies to defend him (whatever replaces the Kor'kron), and those soldiers and the commanders who lead them, and any advisers the Warchief has would have to move to the Echo Isles.
Makes sense when you think of the logistics of it. Many countries have moved their capital and seat of government to a different city in the psat, but it happens rarely and takes a massive amount of work.
When it comes to game mechanics they can always balance them so that they have roughly the same HP as a single entity, which is what they did with the Council of Three Hammers. So if both of them have to be in the same room, there's no reason to separate them for pvp.Well yeah. I just meant for like numbers purposes. If the Alliance has four cities to raid, the Horde also has to have four cities to raid. So there'd be an incentive to lump some together, and spread others apart.
Post by
morginar
Well it makes sense. Vol'jin's the Warchief. Most of the Horde leadership is centered in Orgimmar. That's their most well-defended city.
I doubt that. Silvermoon has magic defenses that may or may not be up and running, undercity is a undercity with a neat city above. Thunderbluff is on a plateu, weak from air maybe, but not from ground, ogrimmar is a hole in the ground that was trashed in SoO.
Post by
Skreeran
Well it makes sense. Vol'jin's the Warchief. Most of the Horde leadership is centered in Orgimmar. That's their most well-defended city.
I doubt that. Silvermoon has magic defenses that may or may not be up and running, undercity is a undercity with a neat city above. Thunderbluff is on a plateu, weak from air maybe, but not from ground, ogrimmar is a hole in the ground that was trashed in SoO.I said well-defended, not most defensible. Undercity may be harder to siege, but the bulk of the Horde's army operates out of Orgrimmar. They have the infrastructure--the barracks, the supply routes, the armories--needed to support a standing army of a certain size, and moving all of that to the Echo Isles would be tremendously expensive, if not impossible.
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