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Post by
Morec0
That would be sweet. And hopefully this means Med'Sue is being swept nicely under the rug somewhere.
Think I heard blizzard themself admiting Med'sue to be a mistake.
YES! YEEEEEESSSS!
I hoping that if he DOES show up, he gets to do one thing but then get assassinated...
HOLY CRAP! Imagine this: he goes to New Draenor (Iron Draenor, whatever) does some stuff, and then gets assassinated by IRON HORDE GARONA! WHO AWESOME WOULD THAT BE!
Post by
Rankkor
That would be sweet. And hopefully this means Med'Sue is being swept nicely under the rug somewhere.
We can only hope.
I vaguely recall a blizzard tweet saying that it was highly unlikely he'll ever show up in the game. If his story ever continues, it would be exclusively through the comics.
What happened to his beard? And where is Khadgars pipe of insight?
I wanna believe that the lack of his low-res TBC model means they're working on a new high-res unique model for him, and they're using default human male as a placeholder. Much like how Thrall switched back to his old model (now with the default new orc textures) briefly because it was a placeholder while they developed his new model.
And is that the new warden or is Maiev coming back? (wonder if Maiev gets a uniqe warden model if she returns)
This is a common mistake, there is only one Warden model in the entire game, so every time one shows up, people immediately think its Maiev. Can't say I blame them, but remember that Maiev is now a wanted criminal and psychotically insane. If she ever comes back, its as a nut-case we have to take out. No, that's a new warden that is coming as part of the alliance's expeditionary force.
That would be sweet. And hopefully this means Med'Sue is being swept nicely under the rug somewhere.
Think I heard blizzard themself admiting Med'sue to be a mistake.
Ohh god it would be awesome if they canonically discontinue him and basically disavowed his existence.
Post by
matheus314
What happened to his beard? And where is Khadgars pipe of insight?
I wanna believe that the lack of his low-res TBC model means they're working on a new high-res unique model for him, and they're using default human male as a placeholder. Much like how Thrall switched back to his old model (now with the default new orc textures) briefly because it was a placeholder while they developed his new model.
That's what I'm guessing too. Only question is if Atiesh is just being a placeholder too... and therefore not being given to Khadgar as canon. Guess we'll find out soon(TM).
Post by
Rankkor
What happened to his beard? And where is Khadgars pipe of insight?
I wanna believe that the lack of his low-res TBC model means they're working on a new high-res unique model for him, and they're using default human male as a placeholder. Much like how Thrall switched back to his old model (now with the default new orc textures) briefly because it was a placeholder while they developed his new model.
That's what I'm guessing too. Only question is if Atiesh is just being a placeholder too... and therefore not being given to Khadgar as canon. Guess we'll find out soon(TM).
Unlikely to be a placeholder, as Thrall had his doomhammer even with his placeholder model in the alpha. And canonically it fits because Khadgar WAS medivh's first and only apprentice, it would be fitting that he'd have his staff. Much like how Jaina was the apprentice to Antonidas, and she has his staff. Its not uncommon for magi to leave their staffs to their apprentices, and it would certainly be MUCH better than it being given to Med'an, a mary sue character that is vaguely canon, never even met Medivh personally, and may never even make an actual appearance in the game at all.
Post by
Rankkor
Composite map of Draenor.
This time using actual maps rather than minimaps.
Post by
Morec0
Composite map of Draenor.
This time using actual maps rather than minimaps.
Daaaaammmnnnn, Original-Ner'zhul !@#$ed that @#$% up BAD if that's what it looked like BEFORE.
Also, I started to think about it, and I think the Infinite Dragonflight, and the corrupted Nozdormu, may be the fault of Kairozdormu - which, in turn, is fallout of the Aspects and Dragonflights losing their powers (or whatever).
I think that he is deeply disturbed by the loss of his immorality, and as such is looking into Parallel dimensions as a means of re-obtaining it - similar to how the Night Elves tried to re-obtain their immorality through Teldrassil. What he will ultimately end up doing, however, is transforming himself and a large portion of the bronze dragonflight - including the former Aspect, Nozdormu - into Infinite Dragonflight monsters, thus completing the fall of Nozdormu as he predicted at the Death of Moruzond.
Also, I think a neat way for Garrosh to have been able to get Grom and them all to stop from drinking the blood of Mannoroth would have been for he himself to drink it, and then horrify the others with what it does to him. After that, his warning against it and proving how it was evil because of his sacrifice earn him his title of "Prophet" (as currently he is mentioned to be in the Alpha).
Post by
Rankkor
Composite map of Draenor.
This time using actual maps rather than minimaps.
Daaaaammmnnnn, Original-Ner'zhul !@#$ed that @#$% up BAD if that's what it looked like BEFORE.
You mean Gul'dan right? :P Ner'zhul never promoted the practice of warlock magics.
Post by
Behelich
Composite map of Draenor.
This time using actual maps rather than minimaps.
Daaaaammmnnnn, Original-Ner'zhul !@#$ed that @#$% up BAD if that's what it looked like BEFORE.
You mean Gul'dan right? :P Ner'zhul never promoted the practice of warlock magics.
I think Morec might be referring to Ner'zhul tearing Draenor apart with the portals.
Post by
Rankkor
Composite map of Draenor.
This time using actual maps rather than minimaps.
Daaaaammmnnnn, Original-Ner'zhul !@#$ed that @#$% up BAD if that's what it looked like BEFORE.
You mean Gul'dan right? :P Ner'zhul never promoted the practice of warlock magics.
I think Morec might be referring to Ner'zhul tearing Draenor apart with the portals.
Ohh....... right....... ehm....... I knew that.......
>_>
Post by
Behelich
There, there, of course you did. Could happen to anyone.
/pat
Post by
matheus314
Also, I started to think about it, and I think the Infinite Dragonflight, and the corrupted Nozdormu, may be the fault of Kairozdormu - which, in turn, is fallout of the Aspects and Dragonflights losing their powers (or whatever).
I think that he is deeply disturbed by the loss of his immorality, and as such is looking into Parallel dimensions as a means of re-obtaining it - similar to how the Night Elves tried to re-obtain their immorality through Teldrassil. What he will ultimately end up doing, however, is transforming himself and a large portion of the bronze dragonflight - including the former Aspect, Nozdormu - into Infinite Dragonflight monsters, thus completing the fall of Nozdormu as he predicted at the Death of Moruzond.
My thoughts exactly about the genesis of the Infinite Dragonflight. And for this to work, we'll have to not be able to kill Kairozdormu at the end of this expansion. I once thought he was the big bad guy we'd have to deal in the end, but now I'm leaning more towards Wrathion.
Post by
Morec0
Also, I started to think about it, and I think the Infinite Dragonflight, and the corrupted Nozdormu, may be the fault of Kairozdormu - which, in turn, is fallout of the Aspects and Dragonflights losing their powers (or whatever).
I think that he is deeply disturbed by the loss of his immorality, and as such is looking into Parallel dimensions as a means of re-obtaining it - similar to how the Night Elves tried to re-obtain their immorality through Teldrassil. What he will ultimately end up doing, however, is transforming himself and a large portion of the bronze dragonflight - including the former Aspect, Nozdormu - into Infinite Dragonflight monsters, thus completing the fall of Nozdormu as he predicted at the Death of Moruzond.
My thoughts exactly about the genesis of the Infinite Dragonflight. And for this to work, we'll have to not be able to kill Kairozdormu at the end of this expansion. I once thought he was the big bad guy we'd have to deal in the end, but now I'm leaning more towards Wrathion.
Not necessarily: supposing Kairoz is able to corrupt Moruzond, the damage could be already done and even his death wouldn't be able to stop it - and we'll have to deal with them in the TBC through Cataclysm expansions.
I don't see Wrathion being a villain, though, he's more chaotic good - trying to end the Alliance-Horde war so as to get everyone to work together against the bigger threat no matter who he has to kill to stop it.
Post by
Rankkor
There is a big plot hole in WoD that I don't get.
So, the Iron Horde is planning to invade azeroth. They already linked their version of the Dark Portal to ours. They had all their plans ready. They had even already sent an advance group called The Ironmarch (led by Warlord Zaela, or what remains of her formerly awesome character before she was hit with the chaotic evil stick U_U).
For all intents and purposes they were just ready to simply pour out from the portal and begin their conquest of the world.
But........... they hadn't yet finished their war against either the draeneir, or the other orc clans for that matter.
Only six clans are actual members of the iron horde (Warsong, Blackrock, Bleeding Hollow, Shattered Hand, Shadowmoon, and Thunderlord) the rest aren't (Such as the Frostwolves, Laughing Skull, Mok'Nathal, Stormreaver, Burning Blade, and Lightning Blade)
And practically none of the draenei cities are conquered. Karabor still stands, as does telmor, and quite a few of the others.
So they for all intents and purposes have not finished off their enemies in the homeland and yet they're ready to simply pull out and invade a different world? that doesn't make any sense.
One would think they'd at least wait until all the orc clans were under their banner or killed, and all of the draenei were exterminated. Its not like they're in a rush, their world isn't dying or anything, its still perfectly pristine and viable to sustain them, so they're not driven by hunger and desperation. They're also not fueled by unnatural aggresion as they didn't partake on demon blood. They CAN take their sweet time to attack, and given that the rest of azeroth didn't even knew of their existence until THEY announced it, its just baffling.
This is like the US wanting to invade Vietnam while still in their own civil war. You'd think they'd want to secure their own borders first before invading another country. Same principle applies here with the Iron Horde: If draenor is not yet theirs entirely, why are they so eager to the point where they were just about ready to invade an entirely different world? And Azeroth is MUCH larger than Draenor, it would take them significant manpower and time to completely conquer it and keep it under their rule.
To accomplish that, they'd have to leave only a minor token force behind in the homeland while they battle azeroth. But if the draenei are not yet defeated, and there are still many orc clans that are either not allies, or straight up enemies, its just completely stupid and doesn't make one lick of sense.
Post by
matheus314
They didn't even NEEDED to attack the Draenei for that. Just build the Portal, invade Azeroth, and loot the corpses.
Post by
Rankkor
They didn't even NEEDED to attack the Draenei for that. Just build the Portal, invade Azeroth, and loot the corpses.
The iron horde isn't attacking anyone because they "need" to. They're doing so because of 3 reasons.
1: Kil'jaeden deceived the elders into thinking the draenei were plotting to exterminate the entire orcish race. Imagine for a second if satan disguised himself as jesus and specifically and in a very flashy way descended from the heavens and told every single leader in the US that canada wanted to attack you, and you should kill them first. Would you deny it? I'm sure many would express their doubts (specially those that don't believe in jesus) but the majority of the leadership would agree and would coherce through peer pressure and threats to make the others follow along. That and the extreme devotion the orcs had for their ancestors made it inconceivable to think that they could lie, or that someone would impersonate them.
2: Once they got a taste for blood, they found that they liked it, and this culturally shifted the orcs from a warrior society that enjoyed a good hunt, to a warrior society that enjoyed a good fight, be it with a beast, or with a sentient creature.
3: While this is the diverging point where the timelines are different (Original one had ner'zhul replaced by Gul'dan, Shamans replaced by warlocks, and orcs mass-controlled through demon-blood) its possible that Garrosh is now playing the role of Kil'jaeden, using deception and manipulation to convince the iron horde that the enemies from the world beyond intend to conquer them, and thus they must strike first. Appealing further to the desire of conquest and bloodshed already instigated by the intial deception.
TL;DR: They don't need to attack anyone at all. They're doing it because of a combination of being lied to, and finding out they actually enjoyed it.
Post by
Rankkor
This is interesting for two reasons.
One, it once again confirms that the alliance and horde do work together rather than pointlessly fight each other through the expansion (its a screenshot showing blood elves in shadowmoon, and I've seen a few screenshots of night elves in frostfire ridge). It also shows how the draenei agree that them and blood elves share a very similar history. Way too similar (Looking side-ways at blizzard >_>)
But more importantly is
this
one. It shows that we are indeed fighting the burning legion in draenor, not just the iron horde.
The legion did manage to do part of their work by setting the orcs against the draenei, and at the very least the stormreaver and twilight hammer clans serve them, along with the sargerei (Now we know where guys like Levixus and Socrethar came from, since they're draenei turned man'ari) and I don't see them as the type to just twiddle their thumbs at the first setback.
Post by
matheus314
(...) orcs being lied to
*sigh* Again...?
Post by
oneforthemoney
But more importantly is
this
one. It shows that we are indeed fighting the burning legion in draenor, not just the iron horde.
I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this.
On the one hand, I'm glad Blizzard is finally using the Legion again for something, as they've always been the major bad guys in the lore and the Old Gods have been almost exploited at this point. But on the other, it may be that my theory of Warlords is basically the RPG version of War of the Ancients where we fight the demons already killed in lore but not in 'this' timeline may be right.
I really hope Archimonde and Mannoroth don't show up again...
Post by
Stabhorn
There is a big plot hole in WoD that I don't get.
So, the Iron Horde is planning to invade azeroth. They already linked their version of the Dark Portal to ours. They had all their plans ready. They had even already sent an advance group called The Ironmarch (led by Warlord Zaela, or what remains of her formerly awesome character before she was hit with the chaotic evil stick U_U).
For all intents and purposes they were just ready to simply pour out from the portal and begin their conquest of the world.
But........... they hadn't yet finished their war against either the draeneir, or the other orc clans for that matter.
Only six clans are actual members of the iron horde (Warsong, Blackrock, Bleeding Hollow, Shattered Hand, Shadowmoon, and Thunderlord) the rest aren't (Such as the Frostwolves, Laughing Skull, Mok'Nathal, Stormreaver, Burning Blade, and Lightning Blade)
And practically none of the draenei cities are conquered. Karabor still stands, as does telmor, and quite a few of the others.
So they for all intents and purposes have not finished off their enemies in the homeland and yet they're ready to simply pull out and invade a different world? that doesn't make any sense.
One would think they'd at least wait until all the orc clans were under their banner or killed, and all of the draenei were exterminated. Its not like they're in a rush, their world isn't dying or anything, its still perfectly pristine and viable to sustain them, so they're not driven by hunger and desperation. They're also not fueled by unnatural aggresion as they didn't partake on demon blood. They CAN take their sweet time to attack, and given that the rest of azeroth didn't even knew of their existence until THEY announced it, its just baffling.
This is like the US wanting to invade Vietnam while still in their own civil war. You'd think they'd want to secure their own borders first before invading another country. Same principle applies here with the Iron Horde: If draenor is not yet theirs entirely, why are they so eager to the point where they were just about ready to invade an entirely different world? And Azeroth is MUCH larger than Draenor, it would take them significant manpower and time to completely conquer it and keep it under their rule.
To accomplish that, they'd have to leave only a minor token force behind in the homeland while they battle azeroth. But if the draenei are not yet defeated, and there are still many orc clans that are either not allies, or straight up enemies, its just completely stupid and doesn't make one lick of sense.
We have to keep in mind, Rankk, this is
Garrosh's
army we're talking about.
Post by
Rankkor
(...) orcs being lied to
*sigh* Again...?
What do you mean again? On this timeline they were lied to by Kil'jaeden to be set against the draenei, and then that lie was expanded by garrosh who extended it to "The draenei have allies that will also need to be killed"
Besides, its not like humans haven't fallen for lies either (Looking at Onyxia having the entire stormwind court dancing in her lap, or Deathwing having EVERY KING IN THE ALLIANCE dancing on his)
We have to keep in mind, Rankk, this is
Garrosh's
army we're talking about.
Nope, he's not the leader of the Iron Horde. His dad is. And Grom was a pretty smart tactical genius in the books (Sadly, not so in War3 were he was just a buff version of Leeroy Jenkins with a dose of
BRIAN BLESSED
)
So for him to make such a tactically unwise choice of attacking another nation without first securing your own, is quite baffling. And that every warlord agreed? because that's another interesting thing about this Iron Horde.
Its not ruled by a Warchief. The title of the expansion is not Warchief of Draenor, its WARLORDS of Draenor. The Iron Horde is ruled by a council of chieftains, were each holds as much power and influence as the other, so for EVERY.SINGLE.ONE of them to agree to invade a new world when they haven't finished conquering theirs is quite stupid.
It would already be dumb as hell if all they needed to do was subjugate all the other orc clans that haven't fallen in line and mop up the draenei, but on top of that they also have an enemy in the Arrakoa and Ogre empires which are still in their apex here. So that's 4 really large, really strong enemies that hold domain in over 40% of your planet, which you STILL haven't defeated, and yet they're thinking themselves ready to go to a much larger, bigger, broader planet to try their luck there?
I'm sorry, but I'm having difficulties here grasping the sense of urgency with this particular enemy.
Or maybe I'm just over-analyzing a videogame. Go figure.
=/
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