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Post by
Rankkor
I'm more partial so Samara myself, but it would be awesome if blizzard implements at least ONE reference to Mass Effect.
I like 'em both. Samara's my second favorite ME character, they're both awesome :D
As much as I want to say she's my favorite it's kinda hard to pick.
Yeah, they both have a lovely pair of big beautiful boo......... errr..... Eyes. Yeah, lets go with eyes. >_>
<_<
In other news: MODELS!!!!!
Mixed feelings about Thrall's new model.
Link
Several pro's and con's.
Pro's: YAY!!!! BLACK PLATE!!!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!!. Also, the hobo-robe is not entirely gone, but its been reworked into a badass longcoat. If only that coat was black, the model would epitomize perfection.
Con's: First off, that ridiculous necklace :S come on, Thrall is not a monk, why is he still wearing that stupid thing? its even bigger than before. Second; his awesome mullet is gone T_T and now he's sporting a fully shaved head with a pony-tail (Kinda like his mate). Third: While he has the black plate again, the shoulderpads are gone. An orc with no shoulder spaulders is half an orc. =/
Second model:
Durotan
.
Looks absolutely badass, however, like every other non-thrall orc model, I really hate that stupid hunchback. Why can't they get rid of it and allow orc males to stand up straight? Only peons should have a hunchback.
Third Model:
Velen
Now with MORE beard =D because we can never have too much beardage.
The only way that model could be any more badass would be angelic wings made of naaru cristals.
Fourth Model:
Blackhand
Judging by the neck I'm gonna go ahead and say this looks like a work in progress. Having said that, why does he has gray skin? is this common among the orcs? Their skin just changes spontaneously? This is the same reason why I wonder why are all the dragonmaw orcs gray. Orcs were originally brown, and an explanation was provided as to why they're green. Fel magic.
Why some orcs are of a stronger shade of green than others is a result of those who drank demon blood vs those who didn't.
And the red orcs are those who drank A LOT of demon blood rather than a little.
But these gray orcs.... why? Also what's up with his eyes? I get that in this version of Draenor, Blackhand is not a big brute with a bigger ego, he's actually a master engineer. Kinda like Gelbin Mekkatorque on steroids after a really bad day, so its natural that his armor looks mechanized, but why his eyes look on fire? He's no shaman, or mage, or warlock. He has no magic of any kind, and no demon blood to make the eyes glowy.
Some of these visual fluff to make each warlord unique are weird.
And Fifth Model:
Grom
*sighs* I don't approve of this model. There's a lot of stuff wrong with it.
1: As before, Grom should be standing straight, not in a hunchback. It doesn't suit him. He's always been a very dignified and proud guy, the kind that stands straight.
2: Grom is supposed to be lean, tall, and slender. Not a beefy hulking behemot like his son.
3: His face was also lanky, thin, and long, not a square beefy "hulk" head. He's basically garrosh with hair.
and 4: WHERE THE HELL IS HIS LOWER JAW TATOO?
man, I really hope that model is a work in progress. There's so much stuff wrong with it, it almost hurts. And he's supposed to be the main villain, his model SHOULD reflect some degree of detail and accuracy to the lore.
Post by
Adamsm
Why is Durotan not green? And who knows how many enhancements Blackhand did to himself for the eyes.
Post by
Monday
I agree, that Grom model is meh. Doesn't help that he was always my favorite orc, too.
Post by
Rankkor
Why is Durotan not green?
In this version of draenor garrosh prevented the orcs from drinking the demon blood (and presumably from even dabbling on warlock magics once the spirits abandoned the shaman) With no fel magic, or demon blood, its only natural that everyone's skins is still brown (Blackrock orcs nonwithstanding)
Also another key reason is that this version of the Frostwolves refused to join the war against the draenei altogether, and its why the rest of the iron horde has driven them to the brink of extinction. But by not participating in the war, their shamans still are blessed by the elements (this was shown in the videos I linked a few weeks ago, one of the quests involve the shaman of the frostwolves blessing you before a battle) and thus they have even less reasons to resort to fel magic, or have their skin greened.
And who knows how many enhancements Blackhand did to himself for the eyes.
I'll admit that's possible. One of his husks is metallic. Its possible his eyes are no longer natural, but instead mechanized eyes. So.... he's a cyborg now? O_o HOLY CRAP!!!!
I agree, that Grom model is meh. Doesn't help that he was always my favorite orc, too.
yeah, he's among my favorite too. His model really is a disservice to him. I really really hope this is just a work in progress and they make him more as he should be down the line.
On a different note: man those bracers thrall is wearing look SOOOOO badass, I wish there was a player-version available for my DK.
Post by
Adamsm
Gul'dan and his clan are still green though, so there would be some fel magic through out Draenor. Eh, oh well.
Post by
Skreeran
Not really digging bald Thrall. I'm not sure why, but I feel like it makes him look older, and not in a good way.
Not really a fan of Grom, either. And still confused about Blackhand, who was never an engineer sort before WoD. He wasn't smart enough to be. Looking forward to seeing Doomhammer for the first time though.
Post by
Rankkor
Gul'dan and his clan are still green though
Right. Him and his clan. Of which neither durotan nor his clan are affiliated or living together with. Its entirely possible that Gul'dan is already a pawn of Kil'jaeden and while Garrosh's intervention prevented WoD!Draenor from going the same way as the regular one, I could totally see Gul'dan replacing shaman with warlocks on the people he commands. But that's about it.
so there would be some fel magic through out Draenor. Eh, oh well.
Well,
Here's a map of the whole planet
and I don't see any areas corrupted by Fel, which is what would happen if there's massive warlock practitioners going on about. So I'm gonna go ahead and guess the number of Warlocks in Draenor are gonna be very few. Maybe just Gul'dan and his cronies.
Not really digging bald Thrall. I'm not sure why, but I feel like it makes him look older, and not in a good way.
Yeah, his braided mullet was pretty badass. As for looking older, his first cataclysm remodeling made him look FAR far older. Still, the bald look isn't doing him any favors either.
And still confused about Blackhand, who was never an engineer sort before WoD. He wasn't smart enough to be.
He's not the only one. Almost everyone from this paralel universe is different in some way. Bladefist is an albino, Deadeye is both reddish, and instated the practice of removing one eye on his entire clan as a way to see the future. Blackhand and his entire clan are a pack of industrialists. And from the looks of it, it seems that the entire clan of Ner'zhul is a bunch of necromancers.
Looking forward to seeing Doomhammer for the first time though.
Ohh hell yes. Is it wrong that I wanna see a duel of Thrall vs Orgrim with both of them using their respective Doomhammers?
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Post by
morginar
Rank. On that map, look northeast of auchinudon. There looks to be fel there. And in throne of kil'j and odly enought a altar of storms in the back of the dark portal. Those are demonic.
Gul'dan is on the phone with kil'j we have been told. But only the shadowmoon. Gul'dan is not on good terms with iron horde so we may work with him.
And looks like a lot of dreanei towns. The orcish ones are presumbly hostile and I assume Dreanei towns gonna be neutral.
Post by
Rankkor
Just finished the WC3 horde campaign. Remind me why Thrall thought it would be a good idea to throw his weapon at Manaroth.
.
Of course, Grom went with a macro. He used
Recklessness
Charge
and
Execute
=P
Rank. On that map, look northeast of auchinudon. There looks to be fel there.
huh, would you look at that.
And in throne of kil'j
Now that one I have my reservations. Because that bit looks 100% identical to how it looks in TBC, complete with red rocks everywhere, so I'm more willing to believe that the area around Throne of Kil'jaeden is a placeholder. Me thinks they took the outland map and are slowly modifying it bit by bit, and that area around the throne hasn't been touched yet, which is why it still looks a lot like in TBC.
and odly enought a altar of storms in the back of the dark portal. Those are demonic.
Not quite. On the actual
map
it certainly doesn't look like a demonic altar, more like a dig site.
Overall the entire map look like a very early work in progress (understandable, alpha being alpha) I mean look at Hellfire Citadel. That entire area around it looks 100% identical to TBC (save for those weird white blocks)
But only the shadowmoon. Gul'dan is not on good terms with iron horde so we may work with him.
Not quite. The shadowmoon clan follows Ner'zhul, not Gul'dan. Remember, Ner'zhul was the chieftain, and he only stepped back once he was mentally broken upon realizing he had been duped by Kil'jaeden and the ancestors (including his wife) chewed him out (Seriously, read Rise of the Horde, its a FANTASTIC book).
Here, the timeline is quite different, so Ner'zhul still leads the shadowmoon, and him and his clan are the main enemies in the alliance starting zone.
What clan is Gul'dan leading? I'm not sure.
And looks like a lot of dreanei towns. The orcish ones are presumbly hostile and I assume Dreanei towns gonna be neutral.
I'm hoping that's not the case. It would be a shame to go back to draenor only to exterminate every orc village we find. I'm hoping that not every clan follows the Iron Horde. Already the Frostwolves dont, so there's hope that a few others may refuse as well.
Post by
morginar
What clan is Gul'dan leading? I'm not sure.
Stormreaver?
I'm hoping that's not the case. It would be a shame to go back to draenor only to exterminate every orc village we find. I'm hoping that not every clan follows the Iron Horde. Already the Frostwolves dont, so there's hope that a few others may refuse as well.The only clan to be friendly 100% is the frostwolves, all the other clans are iron horde (+ Gul'dan). So it is only logical that all other orc settlements are hostile. A few who disaproves of the iron horde may pop up. Probably the same who disliked the fel in the old, dark horde. Like doomhammer. But they are a vast minority and probably pop up in the wilds, Frostwolf keep or dreanei towns.
And in throne of kil'j
Now that one I have my reservations. Because that bit looks 100% identical to how it looks in TBC, complete with red rocks everywhere, so I'm more willing to believe that the area around Throne of Kil'jaeden is a placeholder. Me thinks they took the outland map and are slowly modifying it bit by bit, and that area around the throne hasn't been touched yet, which is why it still looks a lot like in TBC. My thoughts exacly. But wonder what's going to be there? And wonder where the new Isle of thunder/molten front going to be.
and odly enought a altar of storms in the back of the dark portal. Those are demonic.
Not quite. On the actual
map
it certainly doesn't look like a demonic altar, more like a dig site.
Overall the entire map look like a very early work in progress (understandable, alpha being alpha) I mean look at Hellfire Citadel. That entire area around it looks 100% identical to TBC (save for those weird white blocks)Think those white things are uncolored items like buildings.
I hope we get to see a proto-altar of storms. A elemental altar. The name always sounded a bit too shamanistic to me.
And whats that purple thing north of auchindoun? Looks like arcane...
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Post by
morginar
Well,
Here's a map of the whole planet
The best part of this is the plains of Farahlon just being a big, indistinct blob.
Hope they do something decent with it, Netherstorm was always my favorite Outland zone.
But it isn't going to have Etherals, voidrifts, manaforges, Tempest keep,
Archmage Vargoth's Staff
or giant magic bubbles with jungles inside. But it's gonna be a plainland. So my hopes isn't too high atm.
But my curiosity on Zangar is high, if we are going to find stone-orcs and titans, what that thing on the mauntan between hellfire, terrokar and shadowmoon is and if blizzard is going to be able to make the zone shifts look natural.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I'm still somewhat disappointed that they just used the old Outland map fro Draenor. I hope there are other continents spattered about the planet, even if we don;t visit, because a pangean continent that looks almost exactly like the place
after
it exploded is a little dull I must say.
Post by
Adamsm
Better then what
we
used
to
know
what it looked like. And they've already said that there is a southern mini-continent that has a major Ogre civilization on it.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm hoping that's not the case. It would be a shame to go back to draenor only to exterminate every orc village we find. I'm hoping that not every clan follows the Iron Horde. Already the Frostwolves dont, so there's hope that a few others may refuse as well.The only clan to be friendly 100% is the frostwolves, all the other clans are iron horde (+ Gul'dan).
Got a source for that? because as far as I know, what clans are part of the iron horde and what clans arent is up in the air. Its entirely possible the mok'nathal are not part of the horde. And there are a few others that could refuse.
The only clan we know 100% isn't part of the Iron Horde is the Frostwolves. And the only clans we know 100% ARE part of the Iron Horde are the Warsong, Blackrock, Shattered Hand, Bleeding Hollow, Thunderlord, and Shadowmoon clans. And whatever clan gul'dan is leading. There's still a lot of other clans that may or may not join them, and I'm hoping there's more that don't. Again, an expansion devoted to exterminating an entire civilization doesn't sit well with me.
Well,
Here's a map of the whole planet
The best part of this is the plains of Farahlon just being a big, indistinct blob.
Hope they do something decent with it, Netherstorm was always my favorite Outland zone.
Agreed. I vaguely recall a questchain I did there long ago in that wizard town that got devastated and the archmage there (who's name I can't recall) described in detail how Netherstorm used to be like before it exploded and back then I was all like "Man, I wish I could had seen it". So I'm hoping blizzard will not disappoint.
Also did you noticed that there's a placeholder structure in there that looks like Gondor?
I'm still somewhat disappointed that they just used the old Outland map fro Draenor. I hope there are other continents spattered about the planet, even if we don;t visit, because a pangean continent that looks almost exactly like the place
after
it exploded is a little dull I must say.
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. In fact, I recall one of the blue posters (Naethera I think) saying that Draenor was not a reskinned outland, but a brand new continent made from scratch. So much for that statement I guess. Because by what I'm seeing on that map it IS Outland being transformed into Draenor.
Credit where credit is due, the changes are a lot more prominent than the ones from Vanilla EK/Kalimdor to Cataclysm EK/Kalimdor, where the differences were barely noticeable save for a few spots on a few zones, but still, that's not a brand new continent, its the exact same old one being retextured.
Also from what I'm seeing at the map, it seems that the spires of Arakk are the least finished zone. There's barely anything there at all.
And T_T there's no Garadar village in Nagrand (I should had expected that, but I was still hoping)
Post by
Adamsm
That explosion occurred during the final days of the original Draenor and those were Alliance Expedition mages...so probably will not be seeing it.
And it would make sense that the Iron Horde has absorbed all of the little clans around themselves to strengthen their assault groups. I don't think we're going to see any of the Orc clans allying with the Horde other the Frostwolves...and the Mok's were notorious objectors, with only Rexxar going to join the Dark Horde war machine; if we do run into them, they may be nearly wiped out, since Garrosh would tell the Iron Horde what the original clan had done.
Post by
Rankkor
That explosion occurred during the final days of the original Draenor and those were Alliance Expedition mages...so probably will not be seeing it.
No I didn't meant the explosion I meant how the zone would had looked like prior to the explosion.
And it would make sense that the Iron Horde has absorbed all of the little clans around themselves to strengthen their assault groups. I don't think we're going to see any of the Orc clans allying with the Horde other the Frostwolves...and the Mok's were notorious objectors, with only Rexxar going to join the Dark Horde war machine; if we do run into them, they may be nearly wiped out, since Garrosh would tell the Iron Horde what the original clan had done.
Not necessarily, Gul'dan and his ilk are alive, despite him being what garrosh would had wanted to kill the most, seeing as he's the sole reason the entire orcish race became slaves in the first place. Furthermore, the frostwolves are alive (although to the brink of extinction) so its not impossible for other clans to also be alive even if in small numbers. The Mok's were hermits living in seclusion in the highest mountain peaks. Its not exactly easy to march an army up there, specially heavy machinery.
As you said yourself, they were notorious objectors to the Dark Horde, so chances are they will just as likely refuse to join the Iron Horde as well.
I'm willing to bet a few pieces that we're gonna see them, and even work with them. (No I don't think they'll join the horde, much like how the Mok'nathal of our timeline didn't joined the horde either, we just worked along as allies but they remained home)
I wont deny that its likely the majority of the clans will be absorbed by the Iron Horde, or otherwise exterminated by them, but I doubt ALL of them save for ONE will have died out by the time we get there. Remember, we get there barely 2 years after garrosh did. It takes a while to exterminate an entire nation.
And whats that purple thing north of auchindoun? Looks like arcane...
That's Shattrath.
Also
PUPPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG I want one SO BAD!!!!!!!! >_<
Post by
morginar
Agreed. I vaguely recall a questchain I did there long ago in that wizard town that got devastated and the archmage there (who's name I can't recall) described in detail how Netherstorm used to be like before it exploded and back then I was all like "Man, I wish I could had seen it". So I'm hoping blizzard will not disappoint.
Archmage Vargoth? Wonder if he wants his staff back... But he will not get it no mater how much he begs. He is alliance after the purge.
Also did you noticed that there's a placeholder structure in there that looks like Gondor?
Minas Tirith? Yes, and with the plainlands that might look like gondor. Though those plainlands in LotR have a name that escapes me...
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. In fact, I recall one of the blue posters (Naethera I think) saying that Draenor was not a reskinned outland, but a brand new continent made from scratch. So much for that statement I guess. Because by what I'm seeing on that map it IS Outland being transformed into Draenor.Some things are going to remain for nostaliga. And they can't make Draenor too big. We are only going to lvl there for 10 lvls. I hope we get second continets or isles in patches. Perhaps we can get a map to another continent we visit in our timeline?
Thrall
Whats up with his hair? And I hope I can get his gear on a shaman, they add coats, maybe night elven loincloth or kilts? But for now I stare in awe of his odd balls round his necks and reflection of his polished head.
Second model:
Durotan
.
Is that Rexxar? And whats with his eyes? Though they where not-blue and Thralls blue eyes was a snowflake shaman trait amongst ork-kin?
Third Model:
Velen
Now with MORE beard =D because we can never have too much beardage.
The only way that model could be any more badass would be angelic wings made of naaru cristals.I hope they add a glyph to give naaru wings instead of angel wings. But sweet odens beard. Dat beard.
Fourth Model:
Blackhand
Azog the part machine part abyssal is here?
And Fifth Model:
Grom
Whats up with his spine? Did Garrosh give him steroids and a back breaker? He doesn't look like the agi stacker from WC3,Lord of Clans or other novels.
That's Shattrath.
No, north of auchi there are grey stones and purple thingies on the ground. Directly northeast of the fel spot.
And might those fel pools have something to do with Gul'dan (The leader of the only warlocks on the planet) trying to summon Murmur (something the shadow council DID summon in auchi in our timeline)?
Post by
Adamsm
The Mok's were hermits living in seclusion in the highest mountain peaks. Its not exactly easy to march an army up there, specially heavy machinery.
As you said yourself, they were notorious objectors to the Dark Horde, so chances are they will just as likely refuse to join the Iron Horde as well.
I'm willing to bet a few pieces that we're gonna see them, and even work with them. (No I don't think they'll join the horde, much like how the Mok'nathal of our timeline didn't joined the horde either, we just worked along as allies but they remained home)
I wont deny that its likely the majority of the clans will be absorbed by the Iron Horde, or otherwise exterminated by them, but I doubt ALL of them save for ONE will have died out by the time we get there. Remember, we get there barely 2 years after garrosh did. It takes a while to exterminate an entire nation.Didn't say that the Iron Horde was going to be wiping out the smaller clans; it would be an absorption since they aren't going to have the power to stand off against the might of the Iron Horde. Better to join then die.
As for the Mok's; all depends on Garrosh on whether or not the Iron Horde tries to destroy them. He could convince the Iron Horde that they are traitors to the Orc race, or to destroy them because they are unclean(Dark Horde did not like the Mok's either), or any number of scenarios....or you know, he could play on the fact that Rexxar was the only Mok to join up and go looking for them to recruit them into the Iron Horde: Cause that would be a twist most won't see coming, the Hero of the Horde fighting alongside Iron Horde as a General.
All a matter of wait and see.
And yes Morg, they've already said that there is a mini-continent to the south that is home to a major Ogre civilization that we are going to run into.
The one thing I want to see though, is what they are going to do with Gruul and his Sons; with so many weaponized Gronn, I want to know how they pulled that off.
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