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Rankkor
Sorry Rank :P I appreciate you, but as an Alliance gal I'm unamused about how much you rag on us.
=/ just trying to strike a balance. I mean, there's a lot of horde ragging going on, but not enough alliance one. Just trying to keep the ragging on equilibrium for both sides.
The horde are blizz's doers. When they need the alliance to react, the horde does something.
The opposite is also true. You've seen how I've reacted ever since the purge of dalaran. How many players reacted to the razing of taurajo, etc.
The "Conflict Ball" has been rolling from both the alliance and horde. (Just as a light example, a lot of the antagonizing came from the horde in MoP and Cata, but then the alliance (mainly just varian) did a lot of antagonizing in Wrath too)
I guess blizzard doesn't know how to cause a reaction on players (of either faction) just by having a neutral force do something.
I can't recall a single alliance tragedy that isn't the fault of the horde, and I can't recall a single horde tragedy that isn't the fault of the alliance for the past 3 years....... bummer =/
Post by
morginar
you're starting to sound like Rank Perdón?
Sorry Rank :P I appreciate you, but as an Alliance gal I'm unamused about how much you rag on us.
Si si seniorita.
But you are misstaken, I am not a fan of the factions att all. I'm all for races. Night elves pre-nerf was my fav and Blood elves are now #1.
To respond to the dislike to the Alliance (humans) I dislike their hypocrazy and general moral whiter than white lawfull god overdrive. And horde turning into villians, mostly due to being the oponents. (Two moraly grey factions can't start war on eachother aperently)
Y me gusta el hombre.
Durante demasiados seres humanos en alianza. Hogging centro de atención como adictos a la metanfetamina.
Translation: And I dislike humans.
For too many humans in alliance. Hogging spotlight like meth addicts.
(Not sure how accurate my spanish was).
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Rankkor
(Not sure how accurate my spanish was)
lol :P Not much. Here, lemme help you.
you're starting to sound like Rank Perdón?
Sorry Rank :P I appreciate you, but as an Alliance gal I'm unamused about how much you rag on us.
Si si señorita.
Pero estas equivocada, yo no soy un fan de las facciones para nada, yo apoyo a las razas. Los Elfos Nocturos pre-nerf eran mis favoritos, y ahora los Elfos Sanguinarios son #1
Respondiendo a por que no me gusta la alianza (Humanos), no me gusta su hipocresia, y su actitud "Mas santo que tu" Legal Bueno. Y eso de convertir a la horda en villanos solo por que son sus oponentes. (Aparentemente dos facciones moralmente grises no pueden ir a la guerra unos con otros)
Y me caen mal los humanos
Demasiados humanos en la alianza. Acaparando el centro de atención como adictos a la metanfetamina.
There. Much better =)
Post by
Monday
Sorry Rank :P I appreciate you, but as an Alliance gal I'm unamused about how much you rag on us.
=/ just trying to strike a balance. I mean, there's a lot of horde ragging going on, but not enough alliance one. Just trying to keep the ragging on equilibrium for both sides.
But it usually ends up with the Horde people yelling at the Alliance with almost no provocation. Honestly, the only Alliance people on this board nowadays are myself and Neon (and a few neutral people who like both sides). It's not nearly equal because neither of us post about lore things very often.
THIS RANT IS DIRECTED AT EVERYONE, NOT RANK
(I'm just using rank's post as a segue)
I'm not going to get into this argument with anyone (it's just kinda pointless. I'm not changing my views, nobody else are changing theirs either), but it's something we need to take into consideration. Instead of just going:
"WELL THEY DID IT FIRST,"
consider the situation. Are you attempting to solve the problem, or will you just be adding to it? Claiming that you're doing it to balance the scales (looking at both sides) is stupid, because it will just prompt the other side to do the same.
TL;DR
Don't argue for the sake of arguing. Don't play the victim, it's really annoying. Look at your post objectively and see if it's just propaganda for one side or the other, or if it's just a "NUH UH" or "YEAH HUH." Neither of those are relevant. At all.
Post by
Adamsm
Though I'm sure everyone can agree that this novel is gonna be stinker...especially with the previous two books showing where the writing is going.
Post by
Rankkor
Honestly, the only Alliance people on this board nowadays are myself and Neon
Not really. There's at least 3 more you're leaving out.
Are you attempting to solve the problem, or will you just be adding to it? Claiming that you're doing it to balance the scales (looking at both sides) is stupid, because it will just prompt the other side to do the same.
So the solution when someone points out the barbaric things the horde has done is for me to stay quiet? that seems counter-productive from where I'm standing.
All I said is that the bad actions of the horde get brought up A LOT both ingame and in these forums. But the bad actions of the alliance don't get brought up often enough (it seems I'm the only one doing it lately).
No need to get fussed up about it man =/
Don't play the victim, it's really annoying.
I wasn't playing victim, I said that remark stung me (cuz it did) but I see neon didn't meant anything bad by it, so no biggie.
Though I'm sure everyone can agree that this novel is gonna be stinker...especially with the previous two books showing where the writing is going.
I dunno what your beef is with Twilight of the Aspects, I liked that book, while it was a step-down from the masterpiece that was The Shattering, it was still very entertaining and engaging. And while Tides of War was by far her weakest work to date, its still nowhere near close to being the worst book in the warcraft expanded universe (Do I need to remind you of Cycle of Hatred?)
Me, I'm not gonna jump the gun over one poor teaser. I will admit though that the real deal-breaker for me in that book is if the purge of dalaran is brought up AT ALL. I'm still upset that jaina pulled that off and then got absolutely ZERO fallout for it.
Whenever a horde leader does something bad,
EVERYONE
(Again, ingame and out of it) calls them out on it and they suffer a repercussion of some form. But here Jaina did something just a few steps shorter of the culling of strathholm and not only she still keeps her position of leadership, she also gets to play the poor victim during the trial? gimme a break. She needs to be slapped. HARD.
if that doesn't happen, then THAT is what's gonna ruin the book for me.
Post by
Adamsm
And while Tides of War was by far her weakest work to date, its still nowhere near close to being the worst book in the warcraft expanded universe (Do I need to remind you of Cycle of Hatred?)It's easily the second and takes a running leap past all of the Knaak books for being horrible.
And my beef with Twilight was...Super Thrall: Oh look, Nozdormu has been trapped in the Time Lines, time to send in Thrall to snap him out of it! Oh look, Kalec feels bad, let's send in Thrall to talk him up! Oh look, a 5 headed dragon(that screams the Queen of Darkness) is utterly pwning all four of the Aspects...Send in Thrall to be the Earth Warder and use a super kamehame attack to take him down!...And that's leaving out the chapters with her creator's pet and the alternate Blackmoore stuff.
Post by
Rankkor
And while Tides of War was by far her weakest work to date, its still nowhere near close to being the worst book in the warcraft expanded universe (Do I need to remind you of Cycle of Hatred?)It's easily the second and takes a running leap past all of the Knaak books for being horrible.
At least it was readable, I had to force myself to finish Day of the Dragon, and completely gave up midway in night of the dragon. I haven't had that problem yet with any Golden book.
And my beef with Twilight was...Super Thrall: Oh look, Nozdormu has been trapped in the Time Lines, time to send in Thrall to snap him out of it! Oh look, Kalec feels bad, let's send in Thrall to talk him up! Oh look, a 5 headed dragon(that screams the Queen of Darkness) is utterly pwning all four of the Aspects...Send in Thrall to be the Earth Warder and use a super kamehame attack to take him down!...And that's leaving out the chapters with her creator's pet and the alternate Blackmoore stuff.
You had a beef with this, but no beef with Super Varian avatar of the gods and super sayan WTFPWning everything and everyone on his way on Wolfheart? Come on man =/
If you don't like Thrall, fine, subjective taste is subjective, but don't decry a book as "second worst in the franchise" just because the character you don't like is on it. I hate varian too, but I don't automatically bash every book he's on it, nor do I harp any chapter of other books where he's on either.
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Post by
Adamsm
You had a beef with this, but no beef with Super Varian avatar of the gods and super sayan WTFPWning everything and everyone on his way on Wolfheart? Come on man =/I did have an issue with the Avatar thing...but the rest of it? Seeing Varian actually grow and not be the Sue Winnar of everything? Wolfheart also had Jarod in it, and in an actual interesting plot point. Wolfheart showed what happened to Maiev. Wolfheart gave some more insight into Genn and Malfurion.....What did Twilight of the Aspects do? Oh right: Continued to make Thrall 'awesome!' and treat everyone else like morons who can't do anything without him.
And Tides is easily the second worst book out there: Incredibly slow pacing, a horrific romance plot tumor, a complete slaughter of the Alliance high ranking Generals.....FOR NO %^&*ING REASON!, the god awful climax and then the incredibly ^&*!ty ending. It's a bad book Rank.
Post by
Monday
Not really. There's at least 3 more you're leaving out.
Who?
All I said is that the bad actions of the horde get brought up A LOT both ingame and in these forums. But the bad actions of the alliance don't get brought up often enough (it seems I'm the only one doing it lately).
I, personally, see it as the opposite.
I wasn't playing victim
THIS RANT IS DIRECTED AT EVERYONE, NOT RANK
(I'm just using rank's post as a segue)
Post by
oneforthemoney
THIS RANT IS DIRECTED AT EVERYONE, NOT RANK
(I'm just using rank's post as a segue)
What fun.
Post by
Rankkor
All I said is that the bad actions of the horde get brought up A LOT both ingame and in these forums. But the bad actions of the alliance don't get brought up often enough (it seems I'm the only one doing it lately).
I, personally, see it as the opposite.
O_O
Post by
Rankkor
If you don't like Thrall, fine, subjective taste is subjective, but don't decry a book as "second worst in the franchise" just because the character you don't like is on it. I hate
varian
Jaina too, but I do
n't
automatically bash every book
s
he's on it, nor do I harp any chapter of other books where
s
he's on either.
I mean.
What.
Hold on neon, yes I hate jaina, not gonna deny it, yes I bring it up far more than I should, can't deny that one either. BUT (And this is a big but)
1: This hatred began AFTER the purge of Dalaran
2: She's not been the protagonist of any book since that purge.
3: Even if she were, I'd still not automatically decry the book as a stinking pile of crap just because she happens to be the protagonist of it. I may dislike the plot and all, but objectively, I would give credit where credit is due if the book is any good or interesting or well written.
Completely different concept. Just putting it out there.
I did have an issue with the Avatar thing...but the rest of it? Seeing Varian actually grow and not be the Sue Winnar of everything? Wolfheart also had Jarod in it, and in an actual interesting plot point. Wolfheart showed what happened to Maiev. Wolfheart gave some more insight into Genn and Malfurion.....What did Twilight of the Aspects do? Oh right: Continued to make Thrall 'awesome!' and treat everyone else like morons who can't do anything without him.
Twilight also brought a lot of other things to the table besides Thrall.
1: It showed what happened to Nozdormu and how he got out.
2: Showed the election of the new aspect of magic
3: Showed the vision of the future, as well as Ysera waking for the dream
4: Revealed who was leading the twilight after the death of Cho'gall
5: it showed what happened to the Wymrest Accord and how it dissolved.
and several other plot points.
Again, if you don't like thrall, that's fine man, I'm not gonna judge, but decrying the whole book as a bad book just because he has a protagonist spot on it seems a little poor IMO. If I recall correctly the alliance was getting mauled by the horde in ashenvale until King Chin Wolf Avatar of the Gods came to bail them out.
Post by
Adamsm
And Rank, of those 5 plot points....Thrall was the reason they happened. The entire book revolved around him; even if a chapter started with another view point character, in less then a page it would be back to him. It got tired; even when Blackmoore attacked him, I had no fear at all that he wasn't going to make it not...not because of the fact that it happened before an in game event, but because Thrall was the untouchable hero.
Twilight is a bad book; I recently re-read it and realized that it wasn't anywhere near as good as her previous works: It was a weaker book. And then she created the stinker that was Tides...and now War Crimes is going to be her hat trick of suck.
Post by
Rankkor
And Rank, of those 5 plot points....Thrall was the reason they happened.
See? this right here is what I mean by you projecting your dislike of a specific character onto a whole book.
The Wyrmrest Accord dissolving had nothing to do with Thrall.
Benedictus revealed as the new mastermind behind the twilight cult had nothing to do with thrall, in fact the two don't even meet.
The vision of the future were the old gods won, as well as Ysera's awakening from the dream had nothing to do with thrall.
The election of the new aspect of magic had nothing to do with thrall (yes he was there, big deal, he had no say in the voting, nor any real influence among the blue dragons other than being a guest of kalec. He was merely a guest. To give an parallel example: Jaina was present on the wedding of Malfurion and Tyrande. That doesn't mean she was the reason it happened.)
And there were plenty of other interesting plot points of the book that were unrelated to thrall. Again man, its ok if you don't like him, but don't bash an entire book as terrible just because of it.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Benedictus as the Twilight father was such a waste. They never did anything important with it. The most meaningful impact of that revelation was that his NPC was removed from game.
Post by
Rankkor
Benedictus as the Twilight father was such a waste. They never did anything important with it. The most meaningful impact of that revelation was that his NPC was removed from game.
I know!!!! =( I was hoping for some sort of ramification across the believers of the holy light, something, ANYTHING.
Instead it was covered up and its like it never happened.
Not cool. Not cool.
Post by
Skreeran
I will say though, no matter how bad Golden gets, I am at least capable of reading her books. I have only finished one Knaak book of the five that I own, and that was Stormrage on Audiobook, and that was only because I was able to tune it out when it got boring instead of just putting it down.
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