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Post by
Adamsm
I hope someday the high elves see the light and join up with the blood elves.That's never gonna happen; not after what the Blood Elves were doing after the fall of the Sunwell and before they officially joined up with the Horde. Elven memories are far too long to ever forgive that.
Post by
Rankkor
I hope someday the high elves see the light and join up with the blood elves.That's never gonna happen; not after what the Blood Elves were doing after the fall of the Sunwell and before they officially joined up with the Horde. Elven memories are far too long to ever forgive that.
EJEM.
That union will never happen but its not due to anything the blood elves did. The blood elves were more than willing to let go of old grudges and allow their kin to access the sunwell, and were even willing to join up with the alliance at one point.
Then the high elves backstabbed them and staged an ethnic cleansing lynch against civilians, after all the help the blood elves have given them.
The two races will never join now, but its due to the high elves repaying hospitality with treason.
Post by
Adamsm
Following the Fall of the Sunwell, there were Blood Elves that hunted down and forced the High's to undergo the Fel corruption...and if they said no, they would be executed; that's what I was referring to Rank.
Neither side would ally with the other after all the !@#$ they've put each other through.
Post by
morginar
Following the Fall of the Sunwell, there were Blood Elves that hunted down and forced the High's to undergo the Fel corruption...and if they said no, they would be executed; that's what I was referring to Rank.
I have not heard this. Source?
As the majority of the blood elves never tutched fel. They eyes came due to fel exposure. The same that happened to the orchish frostwolf clan, they drank no blood but the Green skin came for them becouse of the demonic energies.
Post by
Adamsm
Following the Fall of the Sunwell, there were Blood Elves that hunted down and forced the High's to undergo the Fel corruption...and if they said no, they would be executed; that's what I was referring to Rank.
I have not heard this. Source?
As the majority of the blood elves never tutched fel. They eyes came due to fel exposure. The same that happened to the orchish frostwolf clan, they drank no blood but the Green skin came for them becouse of the demonic energies.
Stories and tales, as well as the character set ups from the RPG; there are quests that make reference to the time between the Frozen Throne and the start of WoW in regards to the High Elves.
Same place that the idea that the Night Elves didn't trust the High Elves around the Moonwells as they were worried that they would feed off the Wells.
And the fel corruption spread through the Blood Elves as they fell to their Hunger; that's why they have green eyes. Orcs were turned green due to the Fel corruption that existed in Draenor following the use of Warlocks and once the Blood was drank that's when those who had gained the red eyes of berserkerness.
Post by
morginar
RPG
Is very much non-canon.
there are quests that make reference to the time between the Frozen Throne and the start of WoW in regards to the High Elves. Vanila quests I supose? Suppose that might be true then. Though quite a bit of vanilla has been retconed. Like onyxia died in wrath and hogger meet his end in cata. For example.
So do you belive the blood elves whom themself barely tutched fel. Force it down high elves, and think that it will turn them to the sin'dorei mindset?
There are blue eyed blood elves ingame (not many). Logicaly there are those who was not near fel or turned to silvermoon in later days, and thus no cursed eyes.
And the fel corruption spread through the Blood Elves as they fell to their Hunger; that's why they have green eyes. Sorry, it was too unlogical that all elves used fel, so it was explained that the fel crystals from outland thats around in silvermoon was the reson why those elves got green eyes. It was explained that fel works like radiation.
Orcs were turned green due to the Fel corruption that existed in Draenor following the use of Warlocks Like I said, fel radiation. It's on orcs and elves we see it manifest physicaly. Thought the changes are not the same on evry race. The fel works just the same on all.
Post by
Adamsm
So do you belive the blood elves whom themself barely tutched fel. Force it down high elves, and think that it will turn them to the sin'dorei mindset? Yes, because the majority of Blood Elves who were out and about in that time frame had the Kael mindset about the people gathering up...whether they wanted to or not; once they were addicted to Fel, the High's wouldn't take them back.
There are blue eyed blood elves ingame (not many). Logicaly there are those who was not near fel or turned to silvermoon in later days, and thus no cursed eyes.If they are blue eyed, they'd be High not Blood; all Bloods are those who fell to the Fel corruption.
Unlike the Orcs, the Elves needed the Fel to feed their Hunger; without it, they ended up as Wretched. High Elves had their own way to deal with the Hunger, and a large number of them carried around Mana Crystals to assist with that.
Post by
Rankkor
Following the Fall of the Sunwell, there were Blood Elves that hunted down and forced the High's to undergo the Fel corruption...and if they said no, they would be executed; that's what I was referring to Rank.
And then they make amends, and tried to fix the bridge, offered plenty of olive branches, and even tried to rejoin the alliance.
How were these efforts at peace met? With an ethnic purge.
Unlike the Orcs, the
Elves needed the Fel to feed their Hunger
; without it, they ended up as Wretched. High Elves had their own way to deal with the Hunger, and a large number of them carried around Mana Crystals to assist with that.
Not true. They needed ANY form of magic to sate their hunger. And since their major source was gone (Sunwell) they resorted to drain magic from other beings, be them arcane, fel, holy, or whatever (Arcane Torrent). This was the technique passed down from Illidan. Since Fel Magic is overabundant that's what most fed from.
On a small scale (one person, or a small family) you can use mana crystals to feed, on a large scale (an entire neighborhood or more) that's not enough, that's the main dillema the elves faced. Today they have no need to feed from fel, because they have a large powersource to sustain them, proving that they didn't NEED fel to live, it was just the most readily available source of magic at the time.
Post by
Snake387
How were these efforts at peace met? With an ethnic purge.
After... wait for it... the Sunreavers betrayed the Alliance not once but TWICE.
On a small scale (one person, or a small family) you can use mana crystals to feed, on a large scale (an entire neighborhood or more) that's not enough, that's the main dillema the elves faced.
Then why don't you give every small family a mana crystal? Since a whole race managed to survive like that.
Probably the most numerically inferior race on the planet,
Wrong. That title goes to either the Draenei or the High Elves.
And I think we all know why Westfall and Redbridge is undermanned. Blizzard just couldn't be bothered with writing interesting storylines that have an adventurer still do something for the whole of the Alliance. Unlike with the Horde where they probably have most of the Creative department working on storylines for them because their Chris Metzen's pet faction.
Post by
morginar
Then why don't you give every small family a mana crystal? Since a whole race managed to survive like that.
It's like power. If a nation was suplied with power from one powerplant but that was destoyed in war. The residents of the nation still needs power. You have a few windmills safe and clean power, but that can hardly heat all the houses in the winter, just a few houses infact. So you build a nuclearpowerplant, and your nation has all the power they need, and you got a bit of radiation.
And I think we all know why Westfall and Redbridge is undermanned. Blizzard just couldn't be bothered with writing interesting storylines that have an adventurer still do something for the whole of the Alliance. Unlike with the Horde where they probably have most of the Creative department working on storylines for them because their Chris Metzen's pet faction.
Becouse killing quillboars is so fun? Or Forsaken vs worgen? And I liked Westfall, and I liked that Vancleef girl, shame that we killed her, she reminded me of V and Robin.
Chris Metzen's pet faction
The faction that go lulz evul? Or do you mean the captain america alliance holy good overdrive we can do no evil act? Becouse Alliance get the good side of this, we horde get atention, but thats the end of a blade at our throats, not a plesant thing.
After... wait for it... the Sunreavers betrayed the Alliance not once but TWICE.
Once actualy, as the second was done by a reliquary, and that was but one.
ONE
infiltrator. By such logic the cenarion circle shall ban all elves becouse of staghelm.
Post by
Snake387
Once actualy, as the second was done by a reliquary, and that was but one. ONE infiltrator. By such logic the cenarion circle shall ban all elves becouse of staghelm.
Thalen Songweaver was an archmage of the Sunreavers last time I checked. Fanlyr Silverthron was part of the Sunreavers last time I checked. Aethas "Shifting Uncomfortably and Suddenly Gaining A Backbone" Sunreaver was the LEADER of the Sunreaver's last time I checked. And since Malfurion Stormrage is the head of the Cenarion Circle your analogy falls flat on its face.
The faction that go lulz evul? Or do you mean the captain america alliance holy good overdrive we can do no evil act? Becouse Alliance get the good side of this, we horde get atention, but thats the end of a blade at our throats, not a plesant thing.
And you're still protected by Plot Armor and "We're a different Horde, we're
Thrall's
Horde."
Becouse killing quillboars is so fun? Or Forsaken vs worgen? And I liked Westfall, and I liked that Vancleef girl, shame that we killed her, she reminded me of V and Robin.
Because using a mechanical cat and watching as your faction leader decides to negotiate a peace treaty when the Horde are at their weakest is so fun? Because playing the Forsaken vs. Worgen game and losing is so fun?
It's like power. If a nation was suplied with power from one powerplant but that was destoyed in war. The residents of the nation still needs power. You have a few windmills safe and clean power, but that can hardly heat all the houses in the winter, just a few houses infact. So you build a nuclearpowerplant, and your nation has all the power they need, and you got a bit of radiation.
No, it's like killing harmless and innocent creatures for no reason other than to stave your drug addiction, killing and imprisoning anyone who disagrees with your immoral tactics, watching a whole race leave and survive without suffering from any radiation and doing immoral things and then CONTINUING to do your immoral things as well as damaging yourself. Then you go and ally yourself with the same Orcs who burnt down your forest, dead, rotting corpses who resemble those who killed your brothers, your sisters, your wives, your husbands, your parents, and trolls like the ones you've been at war with for most of your long lives. Clever.
Post by
morginar
Fanlyr Silverthron was part of the Sunreavers last time I checked
Lolnope :P There has never been said nor hinted realy that he ever had any ties to the sunreavers, not even the sunreaver tabard or guild tag. Nothing.
Shifting Uncomfortably Means nothing, as we are unable to dig into his head and find out why he did so. It's poor evidance to assume he did it. Especialy when he under sha stated his loaylities to Dalaran, and a chat window prior to said sha in a box.
Malfurion Stormrage is the head of the Cenarion Circle
Not Always. Staghelm was the leader prior to Malfurion.
And you're still protected by Plot Armor and "We're a different Horde, we're Thrall's Horde." Soviet is russia then, right?
and losing is so fun? Whos capital is geting raided atm? mechanical cat I can agree with the cat and 5.3 for the alliance. But still, we got to run around with anduin all around pandaria, as horde. Sweet darkness I wish I could canonicaly kill the bastard.
No, it's like killing harmless and innocent creatures for no reason other than to stave your drug addiction Actualy it's more like when you eat the flesh of dead animals for your hunger.
Then you go and ally yourself with the same Orcs who burnt down your forest, dead, rotting corpses who resemble those who killed your brothers, your sisters, your wives, your husbands, your parents, and trolls like the ones you've been at war with for most of your long lives. Clever.
Darkspear no like tha amani mon, did ya no play 4.1? And tha orc an' tha faction lead by the previous ranger general is a beter bet than the filthy humans and their othmars and scarlets.
killing and imprisoning anyone who disagrees with your immoral tactics, watching a whole race leave and survive without suffering from any radiation and doing immoral things and then CONTINUING to do your immoral things as well as damaging yourself Wut? The high elves was exiled becouse Lorthy could not lead a divided race, and high elves was hippy on not feeding on mana wryms. Not sure when inprisonment came to play. And I belive the high elves survived due to not using any magic and feeding on dalaran. And not using magic is not a good plan when you live in the magic kingdom. And is assulted daily with undead, trolls and Kalec.
And the fel only did the eye thing, no damage more than that.
Post by
Rankkor
After... wait for it... the Sunreavers betrayed the Alliance not once but TWICE.Once actualy, as the second was done by a reliquary, and that was but one. ONE infiltrator. By such logic the cenarion circle shall ban all elves becouse of staghelm.
Thalen Songweaver was an archmage of the Sunreavers last time I checked. Fanlyr Silverthron was part of the Sunreavers last time I checked. Aethas "Shifting Uncomfortably and Suddenly Gaining A Backbone" Sunreaver was the LEADER of the Sunreaver's last time I checked. And since Malfurion Stormrage is the head of the Cenarion Circle your analogy falls flat on its face.
*sighs*
here we go again.
1: Sunreavers never betrayed the alliance. In fact, when theramoore was being attacked by the horde, the Council of Six decided to vote on whether or not Dalaran should aid the alliance. The voting was a draw, and wanna know who's vote ended up breaking the draw in favor of the alliance? yes, the sunreavers.
2: Thalen wasn't an archmage, he was a spy, please learn your lore before you say something like this. And Fanlyr Silverthorn is a member of the reliquary, not the sunreavers. It was the reliquary who stole the divine bell under orders of garrosh (Who threatened to kill them all if they didn't) and Fanlyr hacked into the portal network of dalaran to do so.
3: Aethas is the leader of the sunreavers, and he shifted uncomfortably during a meeting. SO WHAT? I'll remind you this is the same man who voted in favor of helping the alliance when theramoore was being attacked and they asked for aid. Then he's the same man who also voted for Jaina to become leader of the Council of Six, once again breaking the draw. This is the same man who over and over expressed how his loyalty to Dalaran was higher than any warchief and that he would not endanger a 2000 year old friendship due to the whims of a warmonger. This is the same man who also tells every single horde player how he sees the horde as nothing more than a yoke on his people that they must be freed from. And this is the same man who was mediating between Silvermoon and Stormwind to MAKE THE BLOOD ELVES LEAVE THE HORDE AND JOIN THE ALLIANCE.
But no, lets have him shift uncomfortably, and all of the sudden that's undeniable, factual, concrete, completely solid fool-proof, non-conjectural evidence that HE'S GUILTY DAMMIT.
BRING THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!!!!!
4: Malfurion is the head of the cenarion circle NOW, but that's after it was discovered that Fandral was a traitor, who backstabbed the alliance not once but twice, with the help of plenty of druids who also turned turncoat and betrayed the alliance. Why weren't they purged down to the last man?
Want a better example? Archbishop Benedictus was a traitor in the church of holy light, and its leader, no new archbishop has been named so far, and he wasn't the only traitor inside the church, since the Black Bishop was one too. Right there you have 1 spy inside the church of holy light betraying the alliance. And then the leader of the church of holy light betraying the alliance. BRING THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS, WE HAVE TO PURGE THE CHURCH CLEA........ ohh wait, no, we don't touch them, they get the special treatment.
Meanwhile lets have 1 blood elf turn out to be a traitor inside an organization that so far has been 100% loyal to the kirin tor, and then lets have another low key former member use his inside knowledge to also do something bad, and this somehow justified purging every single man woman AND CHILD in dalaran who was a loyal member of the kirin tor but just happened to be blood elves?
what sense does that makes?
Its ok to blame the entire sunreavers for the actions of ONE man, but its not ok to blame the druids for the actions of many? Its ok to blame the entire sunreavers for the actions of ONE man, but its not ok to blame the church of holy light for the actions of TWO? What sense does that makes?
Post by
watdahek
Sorry if this question have been asked, but i cant find any from search results. What were teleport spells actually like in warcraft universe? in WOW, mages can cast teleport and portals at a very low cost and there are many portals in main cities. I remember from warcraft 3 campaign however portals are very rare, otherwise any faction can just port their troops to the desired location. I also remember in the warcraft novels, characters traveled instead of simply teleporting.. All in all, how common and costly were teleports in warcraft?
Thanks for answering.
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Post by
Rankkor
You're clearly upset that I put a hole in your Dictator Varian fantasy
Nah you didn't.
but no crazy conspiracy can bring it back.
Hmm, accusing others of crazy conspiracies. Then Hatches completely unfounded conspiracy that blizzard neglects the alliance and metzen puts 95% of resources into horde.
Yep. Total logic.
Post by
Adamsm
Sorry if this question have been asked, but i cant find any from search results. What were teleport spells actually like in warcraft universe? in WOW, mages can cast teleport and portals at a very low cost and there are many portals in main cities. I remember from warcraft 3 campaign however portals are very rare, otherwise any faction can just port their troops to the desired location. I also remember in the warcraft novels, characters traveled instead of simply teleporting.. All in all, how common and costly were teleports in warcraft?
Thanks for answering.
Expensive to the mage, and takes a lot of energy.
Post by
morginar
Sorry if this question have been asked, but i cant find any from search results. What were teleport spells actually like in warcraft universe? in WOW, mages can cast teleport and portals at a very low cost and there are many portals in main cities. I remember from warcraft 3 campaign however portals are very rare, otherwise any faction can just port their troops to the desired location. I also remember in the warcraft novels, characters traveled instead of simply teleporting.. All in all, how common and costly were teleports in warcraft?
Thanks for answering.
Expensive to the mage, and takes a lot of energy.
And there is the possibility of ending up halfway in a wall, a pool of lava etc.
Medivh likes his gryphons for a reson.
Dictator Varian
He is a monarch, he is by defult a dictator.
Post by
Rankkor
Sorry if this question have been asked, but i cant find any from search results. What were teleport spells actually like in warcraft universe? in WOW, mages can cast teleport and portals at a very low cost and there are many portals in main cities. I remember from warcraft 3 campaign however portals are very rare, otherwise any faction can just port their troops to the desired location. I also remember in the warcraft novels, characters traveled instead of simply teleporting.. All in all, how common and costly were teleports in warcraft?
Thanks for answering.
Expensive to the mage, and takes a lot of energy.
And there is the possibility of ending up halfway in a wall, a pool of lava etc.
Medivh likes his gryphons for a reson.
You also can't teleport anywhere you want, as each faction has magical wards in place to prevent people from sneaking in and causing a mess.
Post by
Adamsm
Or someone sets up a ward to keep you in....and drag other mages into the same trap.
But yes, you need to know where you are going before you teleport.
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