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Post by
Adamsm
Since the Blood/High need to feed off some source of energy, or else they go bonkers, it's probably still in practice. But since the Sunwell is up again, they get the energy from there...but if they were up against someone, and it would be easier to just tear the magic out of them to win the fight, I can't see them not using that option to take out their opponent.
Post by
morginar
Rankkor, what is the blood elf racial?
What you speak of is more or less the Arcane torrent ability. Drain the oponent of magic and add it to their own. But the captured narru had some special treatment in order to give it's drainer holy powers.
I see no reson as to why the arcane torrent is forbiden to be used. And like drugs, some might need a bigger kick than what the sunwell gives becouse they have taped into more addictive magics, like fel.
Post by
Rankkor
You don't understand.
I'm basing this on a
line
said by some of the Sunreaver mages in the isle of thunder, namely stating how she misses being able to use Fel Magic, claiming that while it was evil, it got the job done.
This implies that there ARE some things banned and outlawed to the blood elven society, and just as they've outlawed the practice of feeding on fel on the moral grounds that said magic is evil, could they also outlaw feeding on holy magic on the grounds that its sacred magic and thus deserves some form of reverence?
Remember, blood elves are slowly regaining their connection to the light, and feeding on it rather than commune with it as other paladins do, would break that connection forcing them to keep their powers through less noble ways.
Thus why I wonder if perhaps they've banned feeding off Holy Magic. I'm glad that the relationship between the blood knights and the light is set to be explored heavily in WoD. I can't wait.
Post by
Stabhorn
Who forged Frostmourne?
Post by
Adamsm
Probably the Toth'rezim, since those are suppose to be the main forger race for the Legion.
Post by
Behelich
Wowpedia
states that, according to Golden's Rise of the Lich King novel, the armor and the sword were forged by the Nathrezim.
Edit: however, in Warcraft 3, old man Tichondrius himself states that the sword was created by Ner'Zhul himself.
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1014404
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Post by
Rankkor
Yeah I think the fact that the citizens of practically 80% of the kingdom had to form organized militias to defend themselves because their kingdom wasn't sending any help speaks for itself.
Kinda ironic that the lvl 10-20 human zones still needs their millita, in duskwood there are complaints about how stormwinds are deaf to their please due to the thick walls or something. Redridge you hire old veterans. Westfall did get help from stormwind, only when sentinel hill was on fire.
And this is mainly due to the conflict with the horde.
I'm supriced that there isn't any internal conflict in the alliance. Viva le revolution, heads will roll.
The branch quests from Stormwind like
Hero's Call: Redridge Mountains!
show that they simply don't have people to spare.
That is a cope-out. The horde is numerically inferior to the alliance at least 3 to 1 and you don't see any horde town forming improvised militias to defend themselves.
Post by
Adamsm
Well....except for when Vol'jin raised up the Darkspear rebellion. But unlike the Alliance forces, the Horde could actually cover their lands better for the most part. The Alliance have force issues in the Human lands, and have for a long while, since they always seem to spread themselves out too much.
Post by
Rankkor
Well....except for when Vol'jin raised up the Darkspear rebellion.
Not the same. In THAT particular case, Orgrimmar DID sent troops to the Echo Isles. The problem is....... they weren't exactly friendly. But before and after the rebellion, all towns had protection from their respective armies.
But unlike the Alliance forces, the Horde could actually cover their lands better for the most part. The Alliance have force issues in the Human lands, and have for a long while, since they always seem to spread themselves out too much.
Nah, I think the main issue is that while the humans are the most numerically superior race in the world, they are not a warrior culture, and thus, their military forces aren't that large. Compare to the highly militaristic Night Elves, or the Ultranationalist Gilneans, or even the scholars of dalaran, each of whom can easily pull their weight in a fight due to their magical prowess.
Now look at the humans, with many of them being nobles (Who scoff at any form of physical activity and are too busy playing Drow House to actually do anything) or farmers, or carpenters, or peasants. I think that's the main problem behind their lack of troops, they have the bodies, but they don't draft conscripts, nor do people feel inclined to fight unless strongly motivated (as was the case with the militias)
Post by
Adamsm
The reason the Cata militias still had problems was that a majority of the human forces were still up north playing clean up in Northrend....then Gilneas happened, and the war exploded in Hillsbrad and the Plaguelands, dragging more of the human forces to the North, stripping the south of the armed trained defenders.
Post by
Rankkor
Again bro', the horde was also dealing with the exact same problems, including but not limited to: Leaving a rather sizable force behind in northrend to keep it safe, the invasion of Gilneas (And really, most of the upper part of the eastern kingdoms) as well as a major scale attack on multiple fronts in Kalimdor, as well as repelling alliance attacks on other fronts of kalimdor.
They still didn't had people forming improvised militias to protect themselves.
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah but unlike the Alliance, the Horde had their forces there....and in the case of the Forsaken, they were making new forces. Stormwind is in a 'bad' place for assisting with the allies; a majority of the forces go by boat, and since there are only so many ports that they can land on Kalimdor, it's easier to spread out the Human forces.
That's why the militias were still around in Cata; the war was on too many fronts for the Humans to cover it all....there's also the fact that, to be completely honest, the Horde doesn't have the same problems that the Alliance does in the Stormwind area. After all, you've got the Blackrock Orcs coming out of the Steppes, hitting Redridge and Elwynn, and then the Gnoll forces in Redridge as well, you've got the Undead and the feral Worgens hitting Duskwood and then of course the rabble rousers in Westfall raising up a rebellion out of the people who had lost their homes and the Gnoll population.
A large majority of the Horde Kalimdor conflicts are the Alliance, and not assaults from the local population of threats.
Post by
Rankkor
That's why the militias were still around in Cata; the war was on too many fronts for the Humans to cover it all.
hmm, if there's anyone stretching their forces thin is the orcs. Lets count it: Detachment sent to Gilneas. Another one of Orc Corsairs to Silverpine, another one for Ashenvale. Another one under Krom'gar for Stonetalon, another one for the barrens, another one for theramoore, another one for Feralas, another one for darkshore, a HUGE ONE for Northrend, another one for pandaria, a BIG ONE for krasarang, a BIGGER ONE for the vale of eternal blossoms, another one for the Echo Isles, another one for Sen'jin when the echo isles ones were busted, another one for Razor Hill.
And even then, when we get to Orgrimmar, its packed to bursting with even more forces, around, above, and below the city.
That looks like massive deployment of troops right there. Yet I don't see any orc villages where the people go "well, warchief is too busy to send troops here, lets put some weapons on the farmers and create an improvised militia". And I should remind you that the orcs are numerically inferior to the humans, there's hundreds of thousands of humans compared to the few thousands of orcs. Seems to me like its not so much a matter of "they humans cant" more like a matter of "the humans don't want"
Protecting his own borders just doesn't seem like a priority for King Chin. Either that, or despite their massive numbers a huge amount of humans actually detest military service, and don't enlist in the army, resulting in low troop numbers. (Which is actually
quite possible
)
Post by
Adamsm
Detachment sent to Gilneas. Another one of Orc Corsairs to Silverpine,Yeah, but they had the might of the Forsaken backing them up; the Human forces were spread thin all through out Cata and the first patch of Pandaria; that's why they worked so hard to ally with the Jinyu and train them up.
Post by
morginar
Centaours, scarlets, quillboars, alliance, scourge and Burning Blade. These are but some of the dangers that threaten the horde races. Doesn't seem like humans or the alliance are alone with many threats at their door. Just that the wolf god chin has more focus on the orcs/Lordaeron* than his own kin.
*Why the hell did he send... Kolitras BFF to Lordaeron, it's suicide for both the death knight (Not unusual behaviur for the alliance I suppose?) and the wallet.
Post by
Rankkor
the Human forces were spread thin all through out Cata and the first patch of Pandaria
; that's why they worked so hard to ally with the Jinyu and train them up.
You're not hearing what I'm saying man.
The orc forces are spread just as much (if not more so) than the human forces, and the orcs have less numbers than the humans, and less resources too (hence why they take them by force from ashenvale and elsewhere) and yet they still protect their villages. This despite the fact that they too have a metric ton of problems apart from the alliance, including all the ones mentioned by Morgrinar and a few he missed.
Want a better example? blood elves. Probably the most numerically inferior race on the planet, spread their forces to a lot of places (Specially after the reliquary), and have none other than the scourge AND the legion at their doorstep, along with murlocks, amani trolls, and naga, as well as alliance spies and saboteurs, and pirates.
And yet despite their extremely few numbers, and troop deployment across the planet, they still left a generous detachment of rangers on every village they have.
Sorry man, but it really looks like varian's priorities aren't with his people. Morgrinar has a REALLY GOOD point regarding the detachment sent to Andorhal. Those troops could had been better spent securing his own borders, and protecting the people of Darkshire, Westfall, and Lakeshire. But NOOOOOOOOOO taking a tiny ruined up village on the other side of the continent is apparently more important to him.
Post by
morginar
Sorry man, but it really looks like varian's priorities aren't with his people. Morgrinar has a REALLY GOOD point regarding the detachment sent to Andorhal. Those troops could had been better spent securing his own borders, and protecting the people of Darkshire, Westfall, and Lakeshire. But NOOOOOOOOOO taking a tiny ruined up village on the other side of the continent is apparently more important to him.
It's wierd right? Even if they got androhal it will be like Stalingrad in ww2 for all the godwins law. Mening they are surounded and may soon resort to tossing stones becouse there is no amo and canibalism becouse there is no food.
And how did they get there? I asume a boat to southshore prior to it's blighting is a resonable theory. Or marshing the same way as the quester... (Wetlands>Arathi>Hinterlands>WPL) An unlikley traveling route by fot and horse.
legion
To be fair it was the scryers and the aldor who helped there, and the blood knights. Don't think that silvermoon actualy did anything in 2.4.
piratesWut?
blood elves. Probably the most numerically inferior race on the planet Gnomes and darkspear *cought* The darkspear is the smallest of the tribes I belive and remember Gnomregan?
And yet despite their extremely few numbers, and troop deployment across the planet, they still left a generous detachment of rangers on every village they have. Not all of them *Looks at ghostlands* or do they count as scourge residents? Thought that zone needs a update.
Post by
Rankkor
Sorry man, but it really looks like varian's priorities aren't with his people. Morgrinar has a REALLY GOOD point regarding the detachment sent to Andorhal. Those troops could had been better spent securing his own borders, and protecting the people of Darkshire, Westfall, and Lakeshire. But NOOOOOOOOOO taking a tiny ruined up village on the other side of the continent is apparently more important to him.
It's wierd right? Even if they got androhal it will be like Stalingrad in ww2 for all the godwins law. Mening they are surounded and may soon resort to tossing stones becouse there is no amo and canibalism becouse there is no food.
I suppose they were counting on winning the battle at silverpine, which would automatically grant them Gilneas, and then they could sandwich the forsaken forces from the north with the troops in andorhal, and the south with the troops from Silverpine, and pin down Undercity.
A bold move, but that's still ignoring that he left 70% of his kingdom defenseless to pull it off. Which brings us to: Fighting the horde seems to be more important to him than actually taking care of his people.
And how did they get there? I asume a boat to southshore prior to it's blighting is a resonable theory. Or marshing the same way as the quester... (Wetlands>Arathi>Hinterlands>WPL) An unlikley traveling route by fot and horse.
A wizard did it.
Its funny because Jaina is a Wizard.
get it?
*crickets chirping*
Okay...... moving on.
legion
To be fair it was the scryers and the aldor who helped there, and the blood knights. Don't think that silvermoon actualy did anything in 2.4.
I meant post 2.4
When you do the quel'delar questchain, you see that the Shattered Sun Offensive has departed the island and its now under the complete protection of silvermoon with a full regiment of Blood Knights, Magisters, and Farstriders to keep it safe. And despite having so few numbers, and plenty of troops deployed elsewhere, they still safeguard all their villages.
piratesWut?
=P Its true. There's a gang of MURLOC PIRATES to the west of Eversong Woods. They're very much out of the way though. There's also the Wretched who took over the main harbor of quel'thalas.
blood elves. Probably the most numerically inferior race on the planet Gnomes and darkspear *cought* The darkspear is the smallest of the tribes I belive and remember Gnomregan?
They have few numbers, but still, the blood elves are even fewer. Not only 90% of them died in the third war, a good chunk of them are now High Elves and are shameless alliance boot-lickers, leaving Silvermoon with even less forces. The Darkspear were always few, but they've never been systematically annihilated and then have half of them abandon the tribe. If anything the closest equivalent would be the Tauren, hunted to the brink of extinction by the Centaur, and then a good chunk of them left with the departure of the Grimtotem.
And yet despite their extremely few numbers, and troop deployment across the planet, they still left a generous detachment of rangers on every village they have. Not all of them *Looks at ghostlands* or do they count as scourge residents? Thought that zone needs a update.
Ghostlands is a ruin though, there's nobody living there, as the ruins haven't been reclaimed, they have 1 farstrider outpost, and 1 major outpost that is manned in cooperation with the forsaken. And the main reason they haven't done the push into ghostlands is because the land is so tainted by the scourge, its impossible to grow anything there, thus its not a viable place to create a settlement. That's why they never bothered with repopulating the ruined villages when they were reclaimed.
However, neither lakeshire, nor darkshire, nor westfall are ruins. Those are workable, fertile lands, inhabited by people, that their leaders are neglecting but still taxing.
Post by
morginar
I suppose they were counting on winning the battle at silverpine, which would automatically grant them Gilneas, and then they could sandwich the forsaken forces from the north with the troops in andorhal, and the south with the troops from Silverpine, and pin down Undercity.
A bold move, but that's still ignoring that he left 70% of his kingdom defenseless to pull it off. Which brings us to: Fighting the horde seems to be more important to him than actually taking care of his people.
Sounds like someone underestimated the might of the forsaken. And I agree fullheartly on that Chin focuses on the horde more than his lands.
A wizard did it.
I supose I saw it coming, thought the boat theory explains why southshore was blighted.
=P Its true. There's a gang of MURLOC PIRATES to the west of Eversong Woods. They're very much out of the way though. ...Mrgl?
They have few numbers, but still, the blood elves are even fewer. Not only 90% of them died in the third war, a good chunk of them are now High Elves and are shameless alliance boot-lickers, leaving Silvermoon with even less forces. The Darkspear were always few, but they've never been systematically annihilated and then have half of them abandon the tribe. If anything the closest equivalent would be the Tauren, hunted to the brink of extinction by the Centaur, and then a good chunk of them left with the departure of the Grimtotem. I hope someday the high elves see the light and join up with the blood elves. And tauren is indeed a race few in numbers as the grimtotem killed a lot after cairns demise. Thought 75% stayed in the horde. Thought the grimtotem story is unfinished. We had a badass elder crone in thousand neddles.
Ghostlands is a ruin though, there's nobody living there, as the ruins haven't been reclaimed, they have 1 farstrider outpost, and 1 major outpost that is manned in cooperation with the forsaken. And the main reason they haven't done the push into ghostlands is because the land is so tainted by the scourge, its impossible to grow anything there, thus its not a viable place to create a settlement. That's why they never bothered with repopulating the ruined villages when they were reclaimed.
However, neither lakeshire, nor darkshire, nor westfall are ruins. Those are workable, fertile lands, inhabited by people, that their leaders are neglecting but still taxing. WPL is all I can say. If they can fix that then surley ghostlands and the scar can be fixed. We had one
apprenitice
saying otherwise. But Quel'thalas is in such a dire need of a update (so is the isles of myst) that I do not dare to say how things look there. The short story says that the scourge still have the land. Thought it's a shortstory, not the best lore material in my opinion and I wait for the moment they are noncanon.
And if some botanists* come from the botanica that is also helpfull.
*Druids in the same way you can call the TBC blood knights paladins.
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