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Post by
Rankkor
and now, really can't someone point me out to a reliable source where I can get an e-book version of Rise of the Horde?
T_T the book is not sold in venezuela, and I really wanna read it.
Post by
Rankkor
I have showed you a freakin whole page of what took place during the war against the defias.
on that entire page (wich I've read from top to bottom) nowhere does it says that either stormwind or varian took any part on the downfall of the defias.
nowhere at all, and if there is a part where it says taht, why don't you be a dear and quote it for me honey?
I need to spend hours typing the same thing over again to prove something to guy whos head repels logic...
nope, you just need to point out a reliable lore source that says that stormwind sent aid to westfall and duskwood to solve their problems, and that varian or stormwind played any part on the defias downfall.
You lost, but don't want to admit your wrong.
funny, you are the one who doesn't want to admit he's wrong, after all in that page you so kindly posted it says clearly that the stormwind army was sent away, leaving duskwood and westfall defenseless.....
and what was your answer to that?
"Lol there must be a mistake somewhere, that's clearly imposible"
yeha because you know more than blizz themselves, correct skipper?
Every word you said was fan-fic
and your's aren't? then why won't you quote a lore source? a quest. a page, anything that says "stormwind sent this aid to this place"
there is none, you just posted a page that lists the entire activity of the defias, from their rise to their downfall.
they rose to power because the army was sent away, and you deny that part because it's not what you want to read.
and also on taht very same page, it says nothing of stormwind playing any part on their downfall.
fan-fic by definition is something written by a fan, that has no relation to the oficial work written by the authorized creator of the lore.
I said that varian was mind-controlled, and the comics proved it.
I said that before he was kidnapped, and because he was mind-controlled the army was sent away, and the very page you posted confirmed it.
I said that stormwind and by proxy it's king took no part on the downfall of the defias, or the recovery of duskwood. and all the quests in both zones confirm it.
and now let's see what you said.
you said that varian was not mind-controlled prior ot his abduction, and show no proof of it.
you said that the army wasn't sent away, and that there must be some sort of mistake there in blizzard's part, again showing no proof of why tehre is a mistake.
you said that stormwind and varian took part in the downfall of the defias, and showed no lore to back it up
who's writing fan-fic here pretty boy? you or me?
:P
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
You can't "OFT" yourself : /
then I'll doit for him.
Remember, that Wowwiki Defias Timeline isn't official. It can't be used as proof.QFT.
double QFT
Post by
Rankkor
but what you lack is proof that Rank's timeline is right.
I can show you proof, if you want it, but there is 1 problem
is long, and you hate a wall-o-text
if you are willing to be civil and read it (just as I read your alledged "evidence" from top to bottom) then I'll show you my proof of every point, from varian's mind-controlled status PRIOR to his abduction, to stormwind's lack of action to retake westfall and duskwood.
but as I said it's long, and if u're not even gonna bother to read it then I wont go to the troubles of recopilating info again.
after all, on the "varian thread" I recopilated a large amount of evidence to show you that westfall and duskwood fell BEFORE varian was kidnapped, and rather than read it and then say your opinion, you snapped, called us pathetic and sad, and caused the thread to be locked up.
so, if this time u're willing to be civil, and read the proof, I'll show you proof, if not, then well, as I said the rest of the comunity here has already drawn their conclutions about this debate.
so what shall it be bro'
wanna read it or not?
yes or no
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Post by
Skreeran
Nah, there is no point. Your just going to discard what ever I put up.
You can't even keep your own story together, ergo, no point in even reading false thrash.No need to be rude.
Post by
Rankkor
Nah, there is no point. Your just going to discard what ever I put up.
You can't even keep your own story together, ergo, no point in even reading false thrash.
right, because the lore written by blizzard, the quests placed in the game by themselves, and the comic written presicely to explain varian's origins and adventures are false trash :P
well, then it's settled, varian was mind-controlled, he sent the army away, this caused the defias to rise in power, a lot of people died.
then stormwind closed off to all areas execpt elwynn and thus the people on these areas had to make up improvised militias to combat the threats.
and while varian was present in stormwind during the fall of the defias, he played no part on it, neither did stormwind.
now, some other readers may say "but rankkorr, in ashenvale for example there are a lot of problems for the night-elves and tyrande doesn't solve those problems either, the same can be said by the areas that belong to all the races"
my answer ot them is this.
unlike the human lands, the other zones enjoy the protection of their capital.
on bloodmyst there are exodar vindicators protecting the area, and the triunvirate of the hand itself shows up to deal with the problems, and while players do most of the work, the point is velen made sure help was sent to this area.
on ashenvale, the nigh-elf base there is protected by darnassus sentinels, and highranked oficials from darnassus are there to fix the problems, so while tyrande herself didn't do anything to solve the problems she sent people there to make sure the problems were solved.
again players did most of the work, but tyrande helped too.
on the barrens, the crossroads are protected by the orgrimmar grunts, and there is an orgrimmar sargent there to make sure all problems are taken care off, again players do most of the work, but at least we can say thrall sen't people to get the job done.
copy and paste for dwarves, tauren, blood-elves, forsaken, orcs, draenei, night-elves.
the only race that had to depend on an improvised militia were westfall and duskwood, varian took no part in solving their problems because he was mind-controlled in stormwind, having sent the army away, and sending nobody else to neither area to fix the problems, so it was up to civilians to arm themselves.
this is the part that darkton refuses to admit. now if only he showed some evidence that proves stormwind did sent someone ,or at least did something. but no.
all he posted was an un-oficial page that lists the total activities of the defias, and that page shows nothing to back up his claims.
when I point that out to him he says "you are biased, you write fan-fic, blah blah blah"
:P it seems dude I got the upper hand here :D
show lore, or drop the issue, varian was mind-controlled.
end-of-story (unless darkton isn't willing to give it up)
Post by
Rankkor
now getting back to the e-book thing, someone show me a link to get Rise of the Horde on e-book! >.<
Post by
Skreeran
(unless darkton isn't willing to give it up)
This is living proof that our dimwited friend here thinks this is just a "who gives up first" fight, instead of one that is acctually based off of logic and evidence.Like I said. Cool it.
Post by
Rankkor
(unless darkton isn't willing to give it up)
This is living proof that our
dimwited
friend here thinks this is just a "who gives up first" fight, instead of one that is acctually based off of logic and evidence.
and now you insult me, that's very cute lad.
has everyone seen it? he insulted me, uncalled for, unprovoked for.
and don't you dare say it' was a joke because nobody here was born yesterday, nor dare you say you're the victim.
this what you allways do, just like on the "varian thread" when proven wrong, you snap and hurl insults like we're suposed to take them because you're you.
typical as always.
see now why nobody likes you, and nobody takes you seriously?
when beaten you resort to name-calling.
that's cool,. that's really cool.
and don't mention logic and evidence, during this entire debate, you've shown no evidence at all darkton, only a page that lists the activity of the defias, and nowhere in it says what you claim.
so don't talk to me about evidence when all you've said is fan-fic
Like I said. Cool it.
Amen
Edit: ohh and darkton, grats on the 1000 posts ^_^
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
Alright, Im sorry...
Fine, let Varian have done a crime. Seeing as how the last comic showed he was unaware of knowing Garona could not control herself, and foreshadowed that he will at least consider forgiving her, its not even worth disscussing anymore.
As for Rise of the Horde... I'm not sure what websites you can use from where you are, but I hear you can get Warcraft books that are brand new for a fraction of what they are worth on
Ebay
see? being civil is way more cool, ok, let's drop it.
let Varian have done a crime. Seeing as how the last comic showed he was unaware of knowing Garona could not control herself
exactly, he did a small crime, but under the influence of mind-controll, we both know that the REAL varian would NEVER let his people suffer, NEVER, that much I'll admit to him, when he's not mind-controlled he does cares for his people and his lands.
the same can be said for garona.
under mind-controll she's a heartless murderer capable of killing her own friend, and trying to kill a child, but when not mind-controlled she's actually quite noble, and almost a heroine in her own right.
since varian will soon know the truth maybe him and garona won't be best friends at all, maybe he won't like to see her face to face ever again, but at the very very least he will call off the hunt for her, and grant her pardon for her past crimes.
seeing as his own mistakes were forgiven because they were made under mind-controll influence, then the same benefit should be provided for her.
in venezuela E-bay is called "mercado libre" and I've searched there, nobody sells it :(
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
downloa..........
errr that's classified intel soldier, you need proper clearense to know.........
(shrugs) fine, uTorrent.
but it didn't do anything when I tried to use it to find the 2 I'm intrested in, Rise of the Horde, and Rise of the Lich King.
Post by
Skreeran
Ooh my green pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Garona?
Ooh you make the Allies run, the Allies run.
Gun it comin' off the line Garona!
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such an MC'd mind. Always get it up for the touch
of the Orcish kind. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Garona!.
Just thought I'd share that... :P Found it on the forums.
And Rank, I have two copies of RotH... :P I'd send you one if the shipping didn't kill me.
Edit: And of course it would take 6-8 weeks to get it. Better just to uTorrent it, probably. :P
Post by
451455
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Post by
Skreeran
Ooh my green pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Garona?
Ooh you make the Allies run, the Allies run.
Gun it comin' off the line Garona!
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such an MC'd mind. Always get it up for the touch
of the Orcish kind. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Garona!.
Lmao, what thread did you find that in?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19377457555&sid=1
Post by
Rankkor
And Rank, I have two copies of RotH... :P I'd send you one if the shipping didn't kill me.
if you knew how much it costs to sent a package from here to the united states, you'd have a heart-atack xD and if u knew how much it costs to send one from the US to venezuela, you would die, then reincarnate, only to die again.
:P
but thanks for the intention bro' I apreciate it ^_^
what can i say, chavez doesn't make our lives easier, the current laws he placed on dollar exchange rates in venezuela are ridiculus, trying to get some dollars here is almost imposible, only the richest can doit, and i'm far from rich.
humm,. but this isn't really the place to talk about politics, or that S-O-B in particular so nevermind what I said about Chavez =(
Post by
Skreeran
Alright, just listened to Power of the Horde in Shattrath again, and I can honestly say that that song was a big part in my switching from Alliance to Horde:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ksheidsQZI&fmt=18
There's the song, as shown at the end of Warcraft 3: TFT
And here's the lyrics.
Storm, Earth and Fire, heed my call!
I am the son of the wind and rain,
Thunder beckons and I heed the call.
If I die upon this day,
In battle I will fall.
Hear me brothers gather up the wolves, <howl>
To battle, we will ride.
War drums echo the beating heart,
Pounding from inside.
Chorus:
STORM
Black clouds fill the sky.
EARTH
I hear my battle cry.
FIRE
Thunder we'll bring forth...
DEATH
From the power of the Horde...
Far Seer to the Warsong Clan,
To no man will I kneel.
Feel the power and the energy,
Born of black blood, honor, and steel.
I feel the fire burning in my veins,
Lightning strikes at my command.
By storm and earth, axe and fire,
We come to claim this land.
Chorus
-guitar solo-
Yeeeeaaaahhhh!
Surrounded by the enemy,
The wolf among the hounds.
Thunder turns to silence it,
Took the hundred to bring me down.
Wolf brothers falling at my side,
With honour I will die.
Upon the Altar of the Storms,
I will be reborn.
Chorus
STORM
EARTH
FIRE
DEATH <death sound>
The power of the Horde...
But really, that's what it means to be Horde to me. Fighting next to your brother for a common goal, and when you finally die, it's gonna be in a blaze of glory.
I've said it before and I've said it again: The Horde is like a magnificent beast, powerful and untamable. It takes what it needs, but no more, and pays respect to those that fell.
That's the spirit of the Horde, in my opinion.
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