Post by Rankkor
you know darkton, you are a very intresting man.
it's pointless to put reason in you, varian was mind-controlled.
his mind-control led to the chain of dissasters that ravaged his kingdom.
you may want to deny this, but the comics themselves confirm that PRIOR to his abduction varian was a puppet for onyxia, for 10 years.
go ahead, deny it, i don't care, I know the truth, the rest of the forums knows the truth, he was mind-controlled by onyxia, he was. nothing you say can deny that.
when he was mind-controlled he made some horrible horrible leadership desitions.
and while these desitions are not his fault because he was mind-controlled the point remains that he made them, and somehow he forgave himself for it.
the defias were able to strike at his nation presicely because he sent his army away.
now you may deny cry whatever it is you do when lore proves you wrong, but fact remains, stormwind's army was nowhere to be seen, they were gone, and they didn't just vanished into thin air, if they were gone is because someone sent them away.
and they were sent away while varian was in stormwind, since he was there, then he was the one who sent them away (onyxia can't directly make an order unless is through varian, or another figure of authority, wich is why she worked hard to keep varian and bolvar under her spell)
so, either bolvar or varian sent the army away, all of it, the whole bunk.
even if it was bolvar, he would had done so by varian's command, and varian would had commanded it by onyxia's command.
this led to the downfall of his kingdom, and wheter you admiti it or not, I don't care.
westfall fell.
duskwood fell.
redridge fell.
all of it while varian was there, and he did nothing, no aid was sent to neither of these lands, all their representatives formed improvised miltias to combat the threat.
you said that stormwind sent aid.
I'd love you to show what aid exactly, because no troops were sent, no supplies, nothing, nada.
those zones were saved by mercenaries hired by the local militias placed in there to protect the area
varian wasn't there personally to see to it that order was restored, and he didin't sent anyone to see to it that order was restored.
so I don't see exactly how the hell do you say that he contributed to the salvation of these zones.
varian, (and the rest of stormwind) were inside stormwind, and they did nothing, not personaly nor indirectly, they didnt do anything.
not even sent resources, or troops, or anything, nada.
what exactly was his help?
Your the one who can't even keep trap of your own story, your just trying to look for the quickest excuse you can find .
First Varian is a terrible leader for this, and now he is good and understandable, and then it keeps switching. Depending by which ever one matchs your current plan.
And now suddenly Garona is not responsible, and Varian is.
You said that Varian is completely responsible for everything that happend in his absence, and now suddenly Garona is not.
You can't even keep track of your own fan-fic any more.
fine I'll dispell the confusion.
varian was mind-controlled, and while he was mind-controlled he made horrible mistakes, horrible actions that led to the deaths of a lot of inocent people, now the real trick here is the reason for these horrible desitions, he didn't made them on purpuse, the one pulling his strings is responsible.
what I'm trying to convey is that you say that varian did an exemplary job as a king pre-abduction.
but every lore avaliable points out that from the moment tifflin died, to the moment varian was kidnapped, he was mind-controlled, and the one making desitions was onyxia speaking through her puppet varian, and those desitions were horrible.
it's just like garona, who killed Llane because the shadow council pulled her strings.
since you're so slow, and just love to twist words arround I'll say it again..
varian was mind-controlled.
garona was mind-controlled.
varian did horrible things while mind-controlled, (acted like a horrible pathetic excuse of a king, his crappy leadership was what opened the way for the defias and so many outside forces to wreak havok on his lands)
Garona did horrible things (she murdered her friend)
Varian is not responsible for his actions while mind-controlled(it was onyxia the one who made varian do all those crappy desitions that led to the fall of his kingdom and also do nothing while others worked to clean up his mess)
Garona is not responsible for her actions(it was the shadow council who forced her to kill Llane and then kill varian, if she had a choise in the matter she would had killed none. and in fact during the whole years where she was NOT mind-controlled she didn't assassinanted varian, she only attempted to kill him when she was once more mind.controlled)
clear enough? I doubt it, u're gonna twist this again, but I don't really care, the others are watching and that's what I really care.
your opinion means jack to me..
No, YOU are WRONG, he was there when it happend, but you are telling yourself that he must have not cared, because you can't prove anything else.
I said he was there when it happened, and he would had done something if he wasn't mind-controlled, but since onyxia had him on his mental chains he did nothing, and you can't prove he did something.
after all, this link
http://www.wowwiki.com/Record_of_Defias_Activity you so proudly showed as your evidence, only mentions varian and stormwind 5 times, and on all of them it was to clarify that they did nothing.
if you pay attention, all these problems on duskwood were fixed by the night-watch, an improvised militia, stormwind dind't do anything to help them and neither did varian, directly or indirectly.
if you pay attention all the problems in westfall were fixed by the people's militia, stormwind and varian did nothing at all to help, nothing I really don't see where did you got that crap that they helped.
but I supose that's how fan-fic works, but they didn't helped at all, neithe wiht manpower, nor with resoursces, or even a pat in the back. nothing nada zippo.
Because it seems to me a second ago, you were saying how he simply did not care, and now suddenly Onyxia has a role in it.
it's both, he did not cared ,because onyxia had him under a spell, the "normal varian" would had cared but the "numb-mind-controlled" varian doesnt
now suddenly it his fault that he played no role in the recovery of Stormwind? You now expect him to be out in the battle field when he is just a child?
I meant the KINGDOM of stormwind, not the CITY of stormwind.
by kingdom I mean westfall duskwood, and redridge, these are part of the kingdom of stormwind and varian did nothing to help these troubled zones recover, but again it was not his fault, it was onyxia's fault.
if varian wasn't mind-controled then yhea he would had cared, but as seen on the comics when varian is under a spell all he cares is doing boar hunts.
This reminds me of how you forgive Garona, but blame Varian, heh.
I do not, quote where I say that it's varian's fault, come on, I dare you.
I said that varian did a lot of crappy desitions as a king that led to the deaths of many, and this was the fault of the hag pulling his strings.
stop twisting my words you little......
Well, thats just it. There is nothing for him to forgive himself for. If I blamed Thrall for everything that goes away in The Apothecary in Undercity, then he would be in quite some trouble.
and why would thrall be responsible for what happens in the undercity? o_O thrall is responsible for what happens in orgrimmar.
this is as if I blamed varian for what happened at gnomer, jeez, gnomes business is gnomes business.
forsaken business is forsaken business.
and besides, thrall did something about the forsaken blight, he arrested all the RAS members and placed UC under martial law, what else you expect him to do? execute all the forsaken?
jeez.
what did varian did when his kingdom was knee-deep in $hit? nothing.
you claim he helped, but he did not, he sent nobody, on duskwood and westfall you don't see a single stormwind trooper or stormwind officer in behalf of varian restoring order, you see imrovised militia of civilians arming themselves to fight becuse nobody else will protect them
so how did varian helped? soldiers? money? his charming smile?
jeez.
I still can't belive where all of this "Sending forces away on foriegn lands" thrash is coming from, it just makes no sence at all.
I belive this to be some kind of mistake on Blizzards part
I have no idea what this was supposed to mean, but its got to be another mistake. I remember hearing that in the Human intro, and its impossible.
of course silly me, when the lore itself proves you wrong, you blame blizz and say that they are the ones wrong, after all you made their game, and they work for you, isnt' it?
dude, this lore:
Then, when Lady Prestor receives Lescovar's killer following The Attack, the King is already missing, meaning the Missing Diplomat chain is intended to occur around the same time (perhaps immediately after). It can be further inferred that while the kidnapping was carried out after the Deadmines project fell apart with VanCleef's death, the abduction was planned well before that time and therefore was likely VanCleef's brainchild
and this:
At some point, the Stormwind army mysteriously disappears to fight the Horde in foreign lands. This departure leaves Stormwind and its provinces of Goldshire, Lakeshire, Darkshire and Westfall completely defenseless. VanCleef knows the time has come to make his move
are OFICIAL LORE
just because you don't like it doesn't mean its' wrong.
there are NO soldiers in westfall and duskwood, and the part of varian's abduction it's true too.
all of it taken form the only article you held as your proof, this one
http://www.wowwiki.com/Record_of_Defias_Activityyou know, for all those post you have darkton you are all talk, no walk.
first without lore that backs it up you said that varian wasn't mind-controlled prior to his abduction. just depressed over the death of his wife.
then you said that he was kidnapped before his kingdom fell into disarray
then you said that he was not kidnapped before, but he and stormwind where helping westfall and duskwood recover.
and yet I haven't seen a single page or piece of evidence to suport your fan-fic-
show me your lore, and i mean sources of lore that back up your claims because I have shown mine.
I have shown (and skreeran did so too) the comic page that as cannon states varian was mind-controlled for 10 years after his wife's death.
the game itself showed up the lack of aid from stormwind and it's king both during the rise and during the fall of the defias.
and still you call my arguments fan-fic., but you show nothing to bakc up your act and we're suposed to take it as truth?
pure talk, no walk.
the hell wiht that.-------