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Post by
Rankkor
No it's not; the Pandaren settlement was from the RPG books, which are non-canon. Since Mists came out, they've retconned all but Chen as being stuck on the continent or on the Isle.
If I recall correctly, chen wasn't the only one who left the wandering isle, there were other pandaren brewmasters who left too (these are the random recruitable neutral heroes in Frozen Throne). Their numbers were pretty limited though, and its doubtful that any would join the alliance or horde.
The pandaren village in stonetalon was retconned though.
Post by
Adamsm
The Village wasn't a retcon though Rank; it's completely non-canon as it was only mentioned in the RPG.
Post by
Sparklehoof
So, I'm sure this will be a pretty simple answer. I really enjoy the concept of Warlocks in terms of gameplay (High survivability caster, pretty gear, fancy staves - yes I am a Tmog junkie, and soloing older content fairly easily). The problem is, that while I'm not on an RP realm, I'm bothered by their 'evil' implications. I like having a short backstory for my characters as it helps make them relateable for me. I typically gravitate towards the 'chaotic good' type of alignment, playing Priest types mostly.
So far, the way I've been able to cope with the idea of a Warlock is just saying my Priest went into Shadowform after midnight a la Gremlins. It's nonesense, I know.
Basically, is there any grain of goodness to a Warlock? Could they become corrupt in seeking the power to protect? I've read a lot of lore that speaks mainly to their corruption but, you know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. :(
Thoughts?
Post by
oneforthemoney
So, I'm sure this will be a pretty simple answer. I really enjoy the concept of Warlocks in terms of gameplay (High survivability caster, pretty gear, fancy staves - yes I am a Tmog junkie, and soloing older content fairly easily). The problem is, that while I'm not on an RP realm, I'm bothered by their 'evil' implications. I like having a short backstory for my characters as it helps make them relateable for me. I typically gravitate towards the 'chaotic good' type of alignment, playing Priest types mostly.
So far, the way I've been able to cope with the idea of a Warlock is just saying my Priest went into Shadowform after midnight a la Gremlins. It's nonesense, I know.
Basically, is there any grain of goodness to a Warlock? Could they become corrupt in seeking the power to protect? I've read a lot of lore that speaks mainly to their corruption but, you know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. :(
Thoughts?
That depends on the character really. Most warlocks are in it for the personal power, which is why you tend to kill so many in say Outland. But just as those who are beholden to the factions themselves, many who aren't are diverse and so are their reasons for going into that school of magic. Yours becoming a warlock to gain the power to protect is hardly farfetched.
Post by
Atik
In the RP books, there are Uncorrupted Warlocks.
I personally RP a Warlock who is fairly lawful good (Or at least Lawful Neutral)
Basically, she simply found herself talented when it came tossing around fel magics.
Physically, your warlock is going to be corrupted by over-using fel magics and spending too much time with demons (Think meta form, green skins for Orcs, green eyes for Belfs) But, assuming they don't embrace the power and jump off the slippery slope, the corruption can be minor.
Another thing to note is that fel magics are addicting, and your Warlock will want to use them, whether needed or not. The easiest way to do this is to have them constantly fiddling with fel magics where they won't be frowned upon. (Or, if they don't want to announce that they're a warlock, have them just fidgety and trying to avoid notice and such.)
But, generally, only warlocks that give into the demons are straight evil.
Post by
Adamsm
The thing is, any of the magics in Azeroth can corrupt; it's just Warlocks that it's the most obvious. Even those who go into it 'good' can still fall down the path of Fel, as seen with Kael. As time goes on, the Fel magic that is used steadily eats away at the warlock, and will eventually corrupt them completely.
Post by
Rankkor
The thing is, any of the magics in Azeroth can corrupt; it's just Warlocks that it's the most obvious. Even those who go into it 'good' can still fall down the path of Fel, as seen with Kael. As time goes on, the Fel magic that is used steadily eats away at the warlock, and will eventually corrupt them completely.
I doubt that's the case. Look at Meryl, or Aegwyn, both of these were using magic for thousands of years without corrupting themselves. You need a strong will to resist the lure and if you do, then the corruption is not a certainty, its a possibility. One that CAN be avoided.
Post by
oneforthemoney
The thing is, any of the magics in Azeroth can corrupt; it's just Warlocks that it's the most obvious. Even those who go into it 'good' can still fall down the path of Fel, as seen with Kael. As time goes on, the Fel magic that is used steadily eats away at the warlock, and will eventually corrupt them completely.
I doubt that's the case. Look at Meryl, or Aegwyn, both of these were using magic for thousands of years without corrupting themselves. You need a strong will to resist the lure and if you do, then the corruption is not a certainty, its a possibility. One that CAN be avoided.
It seems arcane works as more of a power trip rather than sincere corruption.
Post by
Adamsm
I doubt that's the case. Look at Meryl, or Aegwyn, both of these were using magic for thousands of years without corrupting themselves. You need a strong will to resist the lure and if you do, then the corruption is not a certainty, its a possibility. One that CAN be avoided.
Yes Meryl...known as Felstorm; the man who helped form the Guardians, but also made a pact with a demon. And then of course Aegwynn, who rightly so, decided that she didn't need her Council...so she ripped the magic from them, and kept it all to herself, eventually to fall on her own pride when Sargeras manipulated her into a trap, where he almost claimed the power of Tirisfal.
Corruption occurs; just as those who use the Light can grow to be overly righteous and zealous, or those who follow the Spirits and believe they know the will of all, or those who follow Nature and go nuts on those who they see as 'damaging' it.
Post by
Atik
I doubt that's the case. Look at Meryl, or Aegwyn, both of these were using magic for thousands of years without corrupting themselves. You need a strong will to resist the lure and if you do, then the corruption is not a certainty, its a possibility. One that CAN be avoided.
Yes Meryl...known as Felstorm; the man who helped form the Guardians, but also made a pact with a demon. And then of course Aegwynn, who rightly so, decided that she didn't need her Council...so she ripped the magic from them, and kept it all to herself, eventually to fall on her own pride when Sargeras manipulated her into a trap, where he almost claimed the power of Tirisfal.
Corruption occurs; just as those who use the Light can grow to be overly righteous and zealous, or those who follow the Spirits and believe they know the will of all, or those who follow Nature and go nuts on those who they see as 'damaging' it.
It's an interesting point where we need to detwemine the line between "Power hungry psychopath" and "corrupted demonslave"....
Granted, the former probably leads to the latter.
Post by
Adamsm
There are those who start out doing what they do for the right reasons...and the power corrupts them as time goes on. There really isn't a source of magic in Azeroth that doesn't corrupt/change the user.
Post by
Atik
There are those who start out doing what they do for the right reasons...and the power corrupts them as time goes on. There really isn't a source of magic in Azeroth that doesn't corrupt/change the user.
One can argue that there isn't anything in the entire world the doesn't eventually corrupt/change people.
Post by
Skreeran
There are those who start out doing what they do for the right reasons...and the power corrupts them as time goes on. There really isn't a source of magic in Azeroth that doesn't corrupt/change the user.
One can argue that there isn't anything in the entire world the doesn't eventually corrupt/change people.One could argue the opposite as well. No one every killed anyone out of chamomile lust.
Post by
Adamsm
And I will be able to read Pearl of Pandaria and Dark Riders this weekend; woot for me lol. But I have been looking forward to both, so will have to dust off the old EU thread and add reviews for them to it.
Post by
oneforthemoney
And I will be able to read Pearl of Pandaria and Dark Riders this weekend; woot for me lol. But I have been looking forward to both, so will have to dust off the old EU thread and add reviews for them to it.
Prepare to enjoy the former, and be disappointed with the latter.
Post by
Rankkor
Yay =D they made a short story for sunwalker Dezco.
That's just great, cuz he's totally one of my most favorite side-characters in this expansion.
You can read about it here:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/destination-pandaria/faction-stories/bleeding-sun/1
T_T one of Dezco's sons dies in this story, and while the other one is revived, he is taken to be inducted as the first non-pandaren Shado-pan. So now, he's away from both of his children.
As a parent myself, this one struck right home with me ='(
Post by
Skreeran
Awww... :(
Post by
Behelich
Though I may not share this opinion (Daelin was, after all, a racist who could not even try to give orcs that had not been present for the Wars a chance), this little quote I saw in a gaming webcomic made me chuckle.
Oh, and Jaina, you had it coming after you helped the Horde kill your father.
Post by
978011
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Post by
Adamsm
Actually,there is a difference between Divine and Arcane magic.Both do corrupt its users as you say,but Arcane magic is more *corruptive* than Divine magic,meaning that you are less likely to encounter an overly obsessed Divine magic user.The entire Scarlet Crusade would put a damper on that...as would the Church of the Light followers who go over board.
Also regarding Aegwynn,i highly doubt that Arcane magic was the reason she took pride and battled Sargeras' avatar,thus falling to his trap.Bear in mind that she was helping dragons defeat the demons,and dragons know much more about their threat than Aegwynn,yet they still failed to realize Sargeras' plan.
Her pride where she ripped the power from her Council, and kept it for 800 years says otherwise...especially since you know, taking the power like that means that people she took it from are left powerless the rest of their life.
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