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Post by
Rankkor
I'M BACK YOU DOOKERS!
=) I've left ya all a message
here
to avoid the double-posting thingie.
Thanks a ton for your support and kind words of encouragement.
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470415
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Post by
Skreeran
Nice to have you back. :)
Now you can return to translating things for me!
(Just kidding, take it easy. But I have heard that that song was recorded in Spanish but with a heavy French accent, which makes me curious. :P)
Post by
Rankkor
I'm incredibly angry at blizzard right now. Please ignore for a moment that I am a HUGE horde loyalist and fan, and hear this out:
Warlord Zaela.
Why? WHY? Why can't we have strong, leading women who DO NOT GO CRAZY? It seems blizzard is dead-on determined to never have leading characters that have ovaries, and also are badasses. Nope, if they're girls, then they must be whining, whimpering, crying, useless damsels in distress who's only purpose in the game is to cheer for some dude, OR, become completely crazy genocidal bi***s.
On War3 we had Tyrande, an aggressive, assertive, badass warrior priestess leader of the sentinels, who took crap from nobody, not even her boyfriend. On wow? she's nothing more than malfurion's cheerleader.
On War3, we had Jaina, a shy and bookish girl, who was still very driven, determined, inquisitive, smart, Leader of her own people and the strongest mage in the world. On wow? first off her position of "strongest mage ever" was unceremoniously given to Rhonin, then she was made into a useless tool, the nanny/cheerleader of Varian. For the love of god, during all of WOTLK all she did was nothing more than be Varian's shadow (except for that brief moment in the 3 last dungeons) and her ENTIRE ROLE in ICC was to cry. CRY!. And now in MoP? she's gone off the deep end of crazy, murdering almost half the population of her city just to scapegoat someone for a crime they didn't made in the first place.
On War3 we had Sylvannas. A very dark, very morally gray, anti-hero, who led a coup against the lich king, and free several of his subjects, and carved a future of their own making for them. While a very very dark-aligned character, she still had sympathetic traits, and was a HELL OF A BADASS WOMAN. Specially exemplified in the battle for the UC where she outperforms Thrall on EVERYTHING she did. Come MoP? all sympathy for her is evaporated the moment she starts to use blight everywhere (after in WOTLK we were hinted that this would not be the case) and uses valks to force undeath onto others, now the sole reason for her existence is to turn every human in the world into a forsaken, effectively turning her into a Lich Queen. /facepalm.
On War3 we had Maiev, a slightly deranged, but still badass woman who would NEVER give up, and hunt her prey to the end of the universe if she had to, and neither the legion, the alliance, or even her own people would stand in her way. Still a very assertive woman, with a dominant personality, and a badass attitude. Come Stormrage and she's a raving lunatic and Darnassus's most wanted criminal for the slaying of multiple worgens and highborns. Great, another crazy we gotta put down.
Which brings us back to: Warlord Zaela.
A horde character from Cataclysm, you only see her if you play the horde version of the twilight highlands, she is a dragonmaw orc, and a part of a NEW generation of dragonmaws who's trying to break away from the dark path of their forefathers, and carve a new destiny for their people, free of the tyranny and demonic taint that had plagued them since the second war.
You lead a revolution for the dragonmaw to free them of their Tyrannical Overlord Mog'hor, who was force-feeding them demon blood to turn them into his slaves, you give them a new free future, and essentially improve the life of dragonmaws forever. With Zaela being the protagonist of this, and of the push against the twilight hammer (where she tanks a frikking Gronn). I was REALLY hoping we would see more of her in the future, yet a friend of mine (skreeran) said "I bet you 10 bucks we never hear from her again".
I kept hopes that one day she would return, because this game NEEDS more badass women who are NOT crazy, and against all odds, blizz brought her back........................... only to be crazy and needing to be put down.
/head-desk.
WHY? FOR THE LOVE OF THE NAARU, WHY?
It even goes against her character to side with garrosh on this, she should be THE FIRST to rebel against him, as Garrosh has become the very tyrant she fought so hard to remove on her introduction zone, why on earth would she side with him? why, easy because blizzard seems to have a repulsive hate for strong assertive women taking leadership or protagonism roles in this game.
THAT'S WHY!
>_>
/storms-off
(BTW Skree, pay up, we did see her again, =P)
Post by
Rankkor
And about that vid skree, they are indeed speaking spanish with a thick french accent which makes it very hard for me to understand what they're saying. I was about to start translating it anyways, but the top 2 comments in the video have a dead-on accurate translation.
Post by
Tritoch
"blizz brought her back........................... only to be crazy and needing to be put down."
How do you know she's crazy and getting put down? I figured she'd be back for the Rebellion and I'd guess she'll be standing proud for the Horde. Her people were freed by Garrosh and his forces. Of course she's going to stand by them. I can certainly see her joining the rebellion for 5.4.
I'm honestly really disappointed that it all came down to this, though. I know Garrosh hasn't been great through Cataclysm and Mists, but I still remember that lost, bitter young orc from Nagrand and his fervor once Thrall showed him the fate of his father and the Horde. Garrosh had so much potential! There was a whole new, proud, youthful generation of Horde leaders to look forward to, people who didn't have the bitterness of the Wars in their hearts.
Saurfang the Younger and Baine Bloodhoof should be there with Garrosh, they should be tempering him, guiding him, for him to relate to and respect. As awesome as the Wrathgate and ICC was, Saurfang the Younger's death was, imo, a big mistake. It broke Saurfang the Elder, it took away a young Outland orc who embodied all his father's goodness and pride. Cairne's death has poisoned his son's good heart, too, and the tauren as a whole - look at the (deserved) contempt Dezco has for Garrosh in the White Tiger temple.
I feel like Blizzard plotted Garrosh into a hole. He has nobody to turn to, nobody to relate to, he only has his own misguided ideals to work by and the pressure of Thrall and the Horde bearing down on him. Can you imagine Garrosh Hellscream with Zaela and Saurfang the Younger beside him? Can you imagine how much the Horde - and especially the orcs - would benefit from that? We've lost so much potential.
Post by
Rankkor
"blizz brought her back........................... only to be crazy and needing to be put down."
How do you know she's crazy and getting put down? I figured she'd be back for the Rebellion and I'd guess she'll be standing proud for the Horde. Her people were freed by Garrosh and his forces. Of course she's going to stand by them. I can certainly see her joining the rebellion for 5.4
At least for now, in the PTR, she's sided with garrosh and at one point is shown openly hostile to the player, as is General Nazgrim, and several others.
Lets hope they change their minds. I mean, I recall datamined soundfiles from 5.1 that indicated that Anduin really did died, and it was due to THAT that jaina decided to purge dalaran. Then they changed it to show that he survived and garrosh only thought he died. So things in the PTR could or could not be final, we'll see about that.
I'm wishing that the same happens here and Zaela ends up turning her back on garrosh. But I'm no longer hopeful. She's a woman, therefore in blizzard's eyes, she's not allowed to be a badass protagonist.
Post by
Skreeran
@Rankkor Thanks for checking out the video. I had seen the translations, and they
sounded
about right, but I just wanted your seal of approval that they were correct. And also the idea of French-accented Spanish was funny to me. As a native English speaker, I've only ever heard accents in English.
As for Zaela, that's a damn shame. That effectively demonstrates why I'm not really paying much attention to "current events" in the Warcraft universe. Something is really going on with Blizzard's lore team. Not their quest team, which is doing fine, but the overarching lore is really sub-par.
Post by
Rankkor
@Rankkor Thanks for checking out the video. I had seen the translations, and they
sounded
about right, but I just wanted your seal of approval that they were correct..
The accent is pretty thick, the part about the mechanic was borderline intelligible because they just pronounced "mecanico" waaaaay too fast, like "mecao".
And also the idea of French-accented Spanish was funny to me. As a native English speaker, I've only ever heard accents in English.
Accents are a funny thing. Here's a somewhat related anecdote: Back in WOTLK, I was not the only latin american member of my guild, we also had a mexican, and someone from Dominican Republic. Well, Rodrigo (mexican) Luis (Dominican) and me, when we spoke in spanish, it would had been impossible to know who's from where, because our accents and pronunciations sounded very similar, almost identical. At least for me, I could had easily mistake them for venezuelans, and Rodrigo told me that me and Luis also sounded very mexican to him.
But when speaking in english, both rodrigo, luis, and myself, had WAAAAAAAY completely different accents, very notorious, and you could tell easily from which country each of us was.
Strange no?
As for Zaela, that's a damn shame.
No kidding T_T there goes another brilliant character to the gutter.
That effectively demonstrates why I'm not really paying much attention to "current events" in the Warcraft universe. Something is really going on with Blizzard's lore team. Not their quest team, which is doing fine, but the overarching lore is really sub-par
Yeah, there's a lot of ugly stuff coming on 5.3 U_U
Dark times ahead for the horde. I mean it though, blizz better stop screwing us over after MoP. I expect some change dammit, POSSITIVE change, stop that depiction of the horde as bullies and bad guys, bring us back to our warcraft 3 roots. If they don't, then my days in azeroth, are finally numbered.
If you wanna cringe a little bit, check out this post I made on the official forums
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8518431881
It only served to validate why I don't like to post there, several of the comments are incredibly stupid. Then a mod moved my post from general, to the story board, and then edited my title. There's blizzard's answer for you.
(And dude, pay up xD, we did saw Zaela again =P)
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
There's Taoshi, a female pandaren Shado-pan member, I remember her being badass, I think, maybe:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Taoshi
She's certainly not evil or crazy.
She's still not quite a primary character, she's just second-fiddle to Taran Zhu. How I wish they had reversed their roles, that Taoshi was leading the shado-pan and Zhu was her second in command. Alas..........
In regards to Zaela, we don't really know her motivations or whatever, so I wouldn't leap to conclusions just yet.
Currently in the PTR, she's hostile to anyone in the horde, and is seen helping the kor'kron commit some truly f****d up s***t. She's also obviously hostile to alliance players.
Honestly though, I really don't even care at this point, the lore of WoW is irredeemable without retcons at this point, which I don't see happening.
Aye, I've been slowly becoming more and more disappointed with the way events are transpiring in the game, it breaks my heart to see what they're doing to my beloved horde, with no seeming end in the nearby future. Which is why I really mean it, I expect CHANGES on the horde after garrosh is removed, BIG CHANGES, otherwise, I think its gonna be time to pack my bags and end my adventures in azeroth.
I mean look at this
s**t
:S
(On a sideline, I can't understand why some fools still think this is a kiddies expansion.)
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
WHOOHOOO!
VEREESA KILLED. And solo babe. And with a VERY annoying alliance paladin harrasing me all the fight. (thank god he was both unskilled and ungeared, he kept dying to me, yet kept coming back for more, I guess I can admire his tenacity, foolish as it was)
What did we learned today vereesa?
Karma
is a biach only when
YOU
are.
And this is not over. PROUDMOORE, you're next >_> Blizzard's phasing powers can't keep you safe from me forever, one day, and that day will come soon, I'll be there, to deliver swift justice in the form of a runeblade up your neck. Damocles's runeforged sword now hangs over your head by a thread, and when you least expect it,
WHACK
.
Post by
TheExiles
Fight 10.000 of
Bound Water Elemental
and i belive.
Post by
Monday
Fight 10.000 of
Bound Water Elemental
and i belive.
DEMYX.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Skreeran
So it's looking like this is gonna be a really difficult choice for Nakresh (my orc warrior) then.
Post by
Rankkor
GAHHHHH I WANTED TO LINK THOSE, YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH.
CURSE YOU SOLDRETHAR!
(/shake angry fist)
But seriously, the complaints in the official forums are laughable. The alliance gets to invade one of our capitals (for the second time) gets to be mostly the good guys during an entire expansion, gets to dethrone a horde major leader (Something we've NEVER been able to do) and yet they still whine that blizzard is favoring the other side.
Laughable really.
and sold......... just kiddin' about the "curse you" part :P
Post by
morginar
Rank they are mad becouse horde got focus on the non-orc races in panda-land (Lorthemar, Voljin etc), compared to the alliance who got humans, humans and more humans, and some quel'dorei randomly ragaing around and tyrande who hands over her army to marty sue...
I would gladly be able to extermiante the house of Vyrnn if that made them happy, or not happy, why do i care it sounds like fun.
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588688
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