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Post by
Patty
Aegwynn was one of my favourite characters in Warcraft, and she gets killed in a comic.
That is just insulting.
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229054
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Post by
Patty
Aegwynn was one of my favourite characters in Warcraft, and she gets killed in a comic.
That is just insulting.
It's amazing how the comic sounds the exact opposite of my liking every day =D
Indeed, this is now another reason why I will never buy the comics.
Post by
Morec0
I read the comics once, they wern't bad before Marysue'dan showed up.
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229054
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Post by
Morec0
Very much, "they've proven to me that the world no longer needs a guardian." WTHs with you giving Marysue'dan all that power Medivh?
Clearly, they forgot to consult Metzen.
Post by
Rankkor
yo, third part of my story Descent into Darkness is out, read and rate please =) your comments are highly apreciated, as it really was a pain in the ass to translate it from spanish to english.
uff, is amazing how many words are needed in english to convey a single emotion, I mean this is a small example "Make me fall in love with you" in spanish "Enamorame" that's 1 word resuming what in english is 7.
this is why my tales are too long (or at least longer than the average short story published by the other users here)
anywho, it's finnaly done, now all I have to do is hammer part 4 to end it, and wait till ICC and cataclysm are both out to write the final ending of Derah Nightsorrow, Field Commander of the fourth regiment of the Knights of the Ebon blade, the black rose Squad.
on the comments of the comics, it's disapointing that aegwynn dies without ever making an apereance on world of warcraft, I would had loved to see her.
about thrall becoming guardian=I never believed it, I mean, seriously, what the heck does malfurion(druid) and thrall(shaman) have to do with an order of mages? coo coo coo coo
med'an is the exeption since that kid'o is a swiss army knife, equipped with divine arcane nature and posibly shadow magic all in one package, that also happens to include a butter knife, a magnifying glass, a GPS, and dental flush for your convinience.
on Valeera going back to stormwind to finnaly tell varian about all she's learned in her adventures on kalimdor
(nothing major, just that........ he was a major idiot for acusing thrall of the atack at theramoore when it was clear that the twillight hammer was behind it, and that his nemesis was in fact mind-controlled all this time as he was so he really is among the last people in azeroth who should be judging her since..... ya know he also let a lot of people die when he was mind-controlled himself)
varian's reaction to this entire chunk of info will be......... intresting to say the least, hopefully when he learns of this he will act like a king and use the head above his shoulders rather than the head between his legs.
we're just gonna have to wait and see.
however this is a retcon, and a biggie.
let's see: varian goes to theramoore, the crap hits the fan due to the twillight hammer, he leaves for stormwind, valeera remains behind, he on stormwind fends off the scourge atack, WOTLK begins, we go to northrend, wrathgate happens, valeera still on kalimdor, battle for UC happens, jaina somehow manages to be both on kalimdor helping med'sue and be with varian on UC at the same time, and valeera also somehow manages to be on UC and kalimdor at the same time?
odd........ I wanna see them explain that.
Post by
Adamsm
let's see: varian goes to theramoore, the crap hits the fan due to the twillight hammer, he leaves for stormwind, valeera remains behind, he on stormwind fends off the scourge atack, WOTLK begins, we go to northrend, wrathgate happens, valeera still on kalimdor, battle for UC happens, jaina somehow manages to be both on kalimdor helping med'sue and be with varian on UC at the same time, and valeera also somehow manages to be on UC and kalimdor at the same time?Most of the comics take place
before
Wrath, so it's possible the whole Guardian thing ends just as the Wrathgate occurs, which is how Valeera and Broll are there at the Battle for the Undercity... and this might be part of the reason Varian says what he does at Icecrown Citadel, about Saurfang and his son; he's finally found out the truth about his father's murder, and sees the similarities between it and Dranosh.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
... Are you assuming this? Or did Valeera actually say she is going to tell Varian about it? Jaina already told Varian that Garona was enscrolled, and quite frankly:
He doesn't care.
And I don't blame him an inch. She befriends your father, then rips his heart out in frount of your eyes, and because of his death, the orc destroy Stormwind.
And it doesn't end there, she shows up 20 years later and says, "As I slew your father, I will now slay you" and not only trys to kill Varian, but his son too.
Truly, the only person who might be able to forgive Garona is Mother Terresa, mabye.
But we will have to wait and see...And your putting words in her mouth... she didn't say a word during the Theramore attack. She only spoke afterwards, once the Hammer Witch was gone. And yes, Valeera is going to explain it to him, so like I said, hopefully that's part of the reason why Varian says what he does during Icecrown Citadel.
Post by
Patty
Hmm, isn't Valeera also present at the Scourge invasion in Stormwind too?
Post by
Adamsm
Hmm, isn't Valeera also present at the Scourge invasion in Stormwind too?
In game she was, but in the comic she was off with Med'an and Meryl.
Post by
Patty
Again, the comics are a POS. They should follow game lore, or atleast show their lore in game in my opinion.
Because, if we don't read the comics, it's like "WUT WHO IZ ME'DAN AND HOW DID HE GET GUARDIAN?" Which I can't blame people for being confused about, especially considering WC III: Reign of Chaos' ending by Medivh.
So, for me, Aegwynn isn't dead until I find something that isn't a stupid comic which explains it.
It also makes you wonder, if Aegwynn was alive, could the Cataclysm have been stopped or mitigated? o_O
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451455
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Post by
HiVolt
Delt, do you have an e-mail address you'd be comfortable posting? I'd like to get your opinion on something I'm working on at the moment.
Post by
Adamsm
Last page:
Valeera: And you Garona? Your still a fugitive from Stormwind, it's not fair, but --
Garona: Perhapsy, when you explain my circumstance, King Varian will call off his hounds.
From what their saying there... Jaina
didn't
tell him, which means my stance over the last few months has been wrong(gasp lol), but Varian will listen to Valeera over Jaina any day after all. Like I said, I'm hoping this is partially the reason for his turn around at Icecrown citadel, and he's starting to get over his genocidal hatred of the orcs.
Post by
HiVolt
Oh, and Adams, would you mind logging onto MSN really quick, I'd like to get your opinion too.
Post by
Rankkor
Until you can show us proof that he actually left Moonbrook for dead, this is just a dream to make Varian look like a bad guy.
I already showed proof.
let's go over this step by step.
we know varian get's kidnapped just before vainilla wow starts, and returns to stormwind just before WOTLK starts.
and that's a fact, nobody can argue that because it's common knoledge.
now, did moonbrook fell before or after varian was abducted?
here is the proof.
a dude called Stalvan missmantle was a teacher in moonbrook before it fell, but one day defias came, all hell got lose, town fell, stalvan fled to stormwind, he works for a noble family, ends up killing them all.
the lore doesn't say when moonbrook fell, but it does say when stalvan murdered the noble family.
Stalvan missmantle murdered them "several years ago" and by several that is in "more than just one" wich points that at the time of vainilla wow (stalvan's quest is from vainilla, not WOTLK) several years have passed since stalvan murdered the nobles.
and since he murdered the nobles AFTER moonbrook fell, that means moonbrook fell severeal years ago, thus before varian was abducted, thus it means he did nothing to either stop the invation, or repell the invaders.
again recap.
we don't know when moonbook fell.
we know stalvan killed the nobles AFTER moonbrook fell.
we know stalvan murdered the nobles several years ago.
thus we at least know moonbrook fell several years ago.
varian was not kidnapped several years before vainilla, at best he was kidnapped a few months before vainilla but not years ago, as the very citizens of stormwind weren't even aware that the king was gone.
so there it is.
varian should learn to forgive garona (or to at least stop wanting her death) because he himself was under mind-controll and while he was under controll he let a lot of people die.
true if he had sent the army to moonbrook several plp would had died anyways, but not the whole town, and the village woudn't had fell, and the nearby farms woudn't had seen themselves needing to form an improvised milita.
if a cop sees a civilian getting stabbed and he ignores that, then that death is as much his fault as it is the criminal, because it's his responsability to protect the inocent.
varian did not killed the villagers of moonbrook himself, but he let them die, and once the village fell he did nothing to take it back, or to send protection to the entire zone of westfall and duskwood.
this however WAS NOT HIS FAULT because he was mind controlled.
I'll say it again.
IT
WAS
ABSOLUTELY NOT
HIS
FAULT
because he was mind-controlled.
the real culprit is onyxia, not varian
NOT VARIAN.
if he can understand and forgive that, then he should forgive garona simply because she's not the killer of his father, the one pulling the strings killed Llane, garona simply wept bitter tears at the death of her friend, she is a victim here dude, just as varian was a victim of onyxia during the whole crisis of moonbrook, westfall and duskwood.
Llane's death is not the fault of garona, but of the bastard pulling her strings
the deaths on moonbrook, westfall and duskwood, are not the fault of varian but of the B1tch pulling his strings.
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451455
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Post by
Patty
Varian was taken hostage pre-WoW.
We kill Van Cleef in WoW.
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