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Adamsm
It wasn't in Warcraft 3; and as Kael is over a 100, it's pedophile since Jaina was 12-14 when it first happened....
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Which means it's a retro-grade thing; once the novel came out, that was put in. And remember Sold, both wowpedia and wowwiki are done by fans and not Blizzard itself; entirely possible they edited that in after Rise came out. I don't recall anywhere in Warcraft 3 that Kael showed any deep feelings for Jaina.
Again: It was a horrible horrible move in the book, but as we've seen, when it comes to anything to do with romance and Golden, established character ideals are tossed out the window so she can 'try'(and I really really stress that word) to be romantic..../sigh Poor poor Kalec, his once great character is now gone.
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Adamsm
Still a retcon Sold; wasn't there in the original game, since Road to Damnation came out after that point: And it's a horrific one....which Rise of the Lich King made far worse.
Post by
Rankkor
Still a retcon Sold; wasn't there in the original game, since Road to Damnation came out after that point: And it's a horrific one....which Rise of the Lich King made far worse.
dude that was not a retcon, I recall very clearly how in Frozen Throne, Kaelthas says Arthas stole Jaina from him, so his feelings towards jaina DID came from Warcraft 3.
Whether that makes kael a pedo isn't golden's fault, since this was placed in the game way before her involvement with that book.
.and while the Shattering is an okay book
an OKAY BOOK? dude, that's (IMO) her second best book ever (I say second because nothing will ever replace Lord of the Clans for me). True, every single page where Aggra is involved is tainted beyond recovery, but the rest of the book (a good 85% chunk) is pure f***king win man. From Baine kicking ass against the grimtotem rebellion, to the war in ironforge, to Cairne dueling Garrosh, to Hamuul surviving the twilight ambush (Old bull has more lives than a cat) to so much more.
Shattering was one of those books I had a hard time putting down, I finished it in a grand total of 18 hours, because it was so good I could NOT.STOP.READING.
The romance plot tumour of Arthas and Jaina, the rival with Kael(and making Kael a border-line pedophile....).
So? she stinks at romances, you've said so already, and we all agree, none here will argue that. The rest of the book was tremendously good. And the romance didn't even took a large segment of the book, ya know, seeing as Jaina quickly becomes horrorified at what Arthas keeps doing.
And Twilight of the Aspects might have well been in small print, since the book was THRALL! 85% of the time, while everyone else was just there to be helped/moved/admired him =P.
So? Stormrage was just Malfurion humping the spotlight, and Wolfheart was nothing more than varian pandering. What's your point? Every book has a focal point, a protagonist, where all the center is located. If anything, the shattering is a fantastic book because for all intents and purposes it has no protagonist, there's plenty of plot arcs and all of them have equal importance, from the coup on ironforge, to the attack on thunderbluff, to cairne vs garrosh, to thrall and his training (only part that sucked) to hamuul and the twilight hammer, ect ect.
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Adamsm
Whether that makes kael a pedo isn't golden's fault, since this was placed in the game way before her involvement with that book.No, Golden wrote him reaaaaallllly creepily in that book; she took whatever overture was there and turned it up past 11. I face palmed when I read that part originally and the so called 'mocking' comment that Kael made to Arthas at the end.
Yes Rank, I only found the Shattering to be okay; it wasn't Rise of the Horde or Lord of the Clans, and while there was lots of action, there were also parts that just dragged on to me.....and Twilight of the Aspects had that a thousand times worst; the whole alternate timeline thing where Thrall died and AlternateIBlackmoore showed up was meh, and then it's Thrall who breaks Nozdormu out of the Time Stream, it's Thrall who gives Kalec the confidence to accept the power of the Aspect of Magic and it's Thrall who shakes Alexstraza out of the coma; is there nothing this Super-Orc can't do? It got old, really fast, to see that all of these problems could only be solved by Thrall, since apparently the Dragon flights are inept and stupid.
As for Stormrage and Wolfheart; Stormrage was evenly split between Tyrande, Malfurion, Thura, Eranikus, Baine and Varian; it wasn't till the end everyone met up and kicked Nightmare Lord ass. Wolfheart was split between the murder mystery and the return of Jarod Shadowsong, Garrosh's plots and his commanders, and the attempts to get the Worgen in. Yes, those books had drag parts, but I still enjoyed them as well and they didn't feel like the chore that Twilight and Tides were to read.
So, yes, I'm incredibly happy that someone else is writing the Vol'jin book and we don't have to 'suffer' through another Golden cranked out book; she needs a break, or they need to pair her up with someone else if she's going to keep writing in the Warcraft universe.
Post by
HiVolt
an OKAY BOOK? dude, that's (IMO) her second best book ever (I say second because nothing will ever replace Lord of the Clans for me).
Don't forget, she also wrote Rise of the Horde. For me, Golden's best Warcraft works are in this order:
Lord of the Clans > Rise of the Horde > Beyond the Dark Portal(co-author) > The Shattering > Rise of the Lich King (I just don't like the subject matter as much as her books about the Horde) > Twilight of the Aspects (It had some decent moments, but overall, it wasn't good) > Tides of War (haven't read it, after what I've heard, I refuse to spend money on it).
Also, I think Aaron Rosenberg is really an underrated, or if not that, under-appreciated author. Tides of Darkness was awesome, and he worked extremely well with Golden on Beyond the Dark Portal.
Post by
Skreeran
I actually found Tides of Darkness to be pretty dry. Where Lord of the Clans, Rise of the Horde, and The Shattering were un-put-down-able (I literally finished all of them in a single day each), I sometimes had to muscle through Tides of War. While there were some awesome scenes (particularly when Turalyon or Doomhammer stepped up to the plate), I really wasn't engaged for most of the book, and the Horde-perspective, Alliance-perspective, Horde-perspective, etc. layout of the chapters got tedious quick. Beyond the Dark Portal was better, but Golden's books are still my favorites (although I haven't read her latest ones).
I'd really like to see some new talent, honestly. I've been reading the Halo books recently, and after several books by Eric Nylund, they brought in Karen Traviss (who got her start in Star Wars) to write their latest trilogy, and I think it's one of the best so far (although that might just be because she uses a lot of military and medical/scientific jargon, and I'm a sucker for accurate jargon). Nit to suggest they necessarily bring her in, but I think that bringing someone new in, rather than just using the same two authors over and over and over might be a welcome change.
And yes, I'll post in the RP after I take a shower.
Post by
Adamsm
Also, I think Aaron Rosenberg is really an underrated, or if not that, under-appreciated author. Tides of Darkness was awesome, and he worked extremely well with Golden on Beyond the Dark Portal.
Very much so; they need to get him back. I'd also like to see Blizzard give some of the writers from the Legends series full book deals, as quite a few of those were very excellent reads.
And I'm still hoping they eventually do a Knaak Golden team up; at least then the pair of them can police each other =P.
Post by
Skreeran
I'm excited about
Vol'jin: Shadows of the Horde
. I've never read any of Michael Stackpole's work, but apparently he's pretty good, and like I said, new blood is good.
Post by
Adamsm
He's an amazing writer heh; his Star Wars EU books are great(I, Jedi is still one of the best), and he made major in roads in the Battletech universe.
Post by
Skreeran
Then I'm super pumped for
Vol'jin
, (especially of my hunch of right and he proves to be the new 'Chief).
Post by
Skreeran
I'm liking Varian more and more.
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355559
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Post by
Adamsm
Maybe; remember, what's data mined, doesn't always get in the game.
Post by
Skreeran
Yeah, forgot to spoilers-tag it... :P I sometimes forgery, because everyone here always digs into them anyway, unless they're in one of the books.
But I like that Varian is acting like a leader, and not just another holder of the conflict ball.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
I'm liking Varian more and more.
meh, he still has a lot to atone in my eyes before I even begin liking him.
I still feel that the focus should had been given to other alliance leaders rather than him.
GIVE US MORE MURADIN!
Maybe; remember, what's data mined, doesn't always get in the game.
Either that, or the lack of context can completely alter what we think happened.
Main reason I'm not buying the whole thing with anduin is because we had a similar case with Leyara and Hamuul back in 4.2 and look, he didn't died after all.
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