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Post by
Adamsm
Except in this case, it's neither of their fault and all of the fault of the Sha that starts influencing them from the moment they land on Pandaria.
Post by
Rankkor
What follows is a series of quests where your faction engages the opposite faction in a different base (Alliance Forces attack Twinspire Keep. Horde Forces attack the Stromgarm Airstrip.) and see how the oposite faction has become batsh1t crazy due to the sha. The Horde forces are summoning demons and using them as shock troopers, slaves, and energy batteries, as well as keeping pandaren children hostage to deter any attacks on their base. Alliance is just as bad, since they kidnapped an entire pandaren village (Adults and children alike) and used both as slaves to do their manual labor.
If I still played wow I'd be feeling so much Alliance pride right now (sarcasm)......YA KIDNAPPING WOMAN AND CHILDREN AND FORCING THEM INTO SLAVE LABOR WOO FOR THE ALLIANCE!
Well, if it makes you feel better, neither of these (the horde crazy tactics, or the alliance crazy tactics) are approved by either Varian or Garrosh. This was just 2 commanders for each side going completely crazy by the Sha.
The logic on this site though...if a Horde commander does something it's Garrosh's and the rest of the Horde's fault. So, the same should hold up for the Alliance.
The logic you use seems like a poor improvement.
If a commander of either side does something that NONE of his superiors ordered, its not the fault of that side. The horde forces on Twinspire keep were NOT following garrosh's orders when they began summoning demons and kidnapping children. Likewise for the forces of the Strongarm Airstrip, they were NOT following Varian's orders when they kidnapped an entire pandaren village and used them as manual labor.
This is the equivalent of me being the manager of a McDonalds restaurant, and one of my employees going crazy whips out a machinegun, and kills 17 people before killing himself. How the frick would that be MY fault? sure, I'm his boss, I can order him to do stuff, but I didn't ordered him to kill 17 people.
Honestly, before accusing others of logical fallacies, be sure your own arguments don't meet the same category.
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781960
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Post by
Rankkor
No need to get pissy in a civil discussion.
I'm not. You said the logic on this site was weird. I pointed out yours is little better. Still, perhaps I should had used a better wording. Fixing now.
Post by
Rankkor
K, so they posted the Alliance and Horde cinematics for the pandaria prelude (These are not the simplistic scripted ones used for lots of quests, these are "Wrathgate Style" cinematics with the improved models, which I don't know why haven't been implemented)
Horde Version
0:21 Garrosh says "This pleases me General"
There is a missing line: "This is my pleased face (ಠ_ಠ)"
Ohh well, at least he's not strangling goblins this time.
Alliance Version
is word-for-word identical to the previous one, except voiced and with improved visuals, but otherwise unchanged.
Post by
Rankkor
Crap. I've been inadvertently exposed to a slew of Tides of War spoilers. Now, since the book hasn't been released yet, there's a chance these are all fake, or at least mostly fake, but these came from the same guy who also leaked a bunch of spoilers about the Twilight of the Aspects book AND the Shattering book..
And those spoilers hard as they were to believe, turned out to be true, either all of them, or most of them. Such as the Dark Irons attacking ironforge, magni turning into a statue, and all that yadda-yadda.
I'm gonna put those spoilers here under tags, if you feel like curiosity can get the best of you, stop reading. NOW.
. Jaina has a new pink haired apprentice from Dalaran at Rhonin's insistence
. She meets up secretly with Thrall
. Blue dragonflight decide to move the focusing Iris to a secret hiding place but the 5 dragon escorts gets killed
. Kalecgos goes after the Iris as being a former aspect he has a stronger link to it
. Kalec goes to Jaina for help through Rhonins suggestion
. Garrosh gathers all the leaders of the horde together and says he wants to take over the whole of kalimdor starting with Northwatch Hold and Theramore
.Garrosh has a mean Blackrock Orc as a bodyguard
.Baine and Vol'jin constantly question Garrosh
. They conquer Northwatch Hold, using elemental beasts summoned by shamans
. Baine sends a runner to Thermore along with Fearbreaker (to prove the runner is legit)
. Jaina calls in 7th stormwind Fleet, some of Stormwind's best generals and goes to the Kirin Tor who agree to let a few magi help along with Rhonin and Veressa. Kalec does some rounds looking for the focusing Iris but it keeps moving about so he waits it out with Jaina
. Horde attack Theramore and initially they are forced back out but as the wounded and injured are being attended, the goblin airship with the arcane bomb attached, which is being powered by the focusing Iris comes over theramore
.Kalec tries to stop the airship but fails
.Rhonin manages to open a portal in Jaina's tower and tries to get the bomb to come to it as it has more shielding and can minimize the damage
.Rhonin pushes Jaina through the portal at the last moment
.*Boom*
.Jaina awakens white hair and eyes and goes back to theramore and sees everyone dead, (inc. Rhonin) she then steals the focusing iris
. Only Vereessa and Shandris Feathermoon survive as they are out of theramore at that moment and Kalec because I think he was flying at the time
.She goes to Varian and Anduin but they refuse to attack orgrimmar in retaliation. she calls Varian a coward and Anduin a peace loving hippie (not in those words but essentially that) she apologies for helping making him that way
. She goes to Dalaran/Kirin Tor and they refuse to help too
. She steals a tome about using the Focusing Iris from the Dalaran Library
. She goes to Echo Islands and uses the Iris to combine hundreds of Water Elementals into a tidal wave she intends to unleash on orgrimmar
. At this time Stormwind get a fleet together to fight a Horde ship blockade near orgrimmar with Varian on the ship and Anduin left in Stormwind as "king"
.Thrall tries stopping Jaina but fails but Kalec comes at the last moment and manages to get Jaina to stop
. Jaina uses some of the Water elementals still summoned to help the alliance in the naval battle
. Varian and Garrosh fight again
. Northwatch hold is taken back and Garrosh retreats
. Garrosh declares every able man and woman must fight and even children must help in the war effort
.Last of Blue dragonflight go their separate ways
. Jaina and Kalec go back to Dala and returns the tome to them and gives them the focusing iris too and then asks to join the Kirin Tor as a novice member but they decide to make her Leader and they let Kalec in too.
. Jaina speaks at Rhonin's funeral
. Jaina and Kalec kiss.
So............. god-dammit all to hell. Lore is going to places, and places I don't like at all. There's so much stuff about this that royally PISSES ME OFF.
First off, indeed we get a Sylvannas 2.0, not only jaina now has white hair, she also has a KILL THEM ALL mentality on her head. Great, bravo blizz, you just finished off killing my second favorite character, right after gelding thrall, and fusing him with that brown monstrosity.
*bitterly* I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Then there's garrosh fighting with varian AND STILL LOSING AGAIN. Don't get me wrong, I love it when that bonehead idiot gets his comeuppance, but he already lost one in wolfheart, and Its about damn time that a horde leader FOR A CHANGE defeats an alliance one. What is this bias crap that we can't beat varian a single time, but he can beat a horde leader TWICE? for the love of god blizzard.
And finally, ohh yes, lets cement the killing of the Jaina/Thrall ship, we already got Thrall gelded and castrated, not even his name remains, nor any semblance to his badass former self. All that remains is a tamed orc in rags, being whiped by that brown b1tch. Now lets go ahead and pair jaina with a dragon, because that's so gonna be awesome am I rigth? NO, that is not rigth >_> I hate this.
Needless to say, if even 10% of those spoilers are true, then MoP may be well on its way to become my very last expansion. Nay, my very last involvement with the Warcraft Lore.
Lore is going to places, and those places, I do not like.
If blizzard doesn't stop screwing up the lore, and the characters that drew me to this franchise in the first place, I'm washing my hands of warcraft, once and for all.
Post by
Adamsm
Warned you about this Rank; they need to start letting others write for Warcraft again.
Post by
781960
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Post by
Rankkor
What's so bad about Jaina hitching up with Kalec? And it seems like they're killing off all of Knaaks characters to please the fans who hate knaak.
That the former is an aberration to both her character, and nature itself, and the latter was long long LOOOONG overdue.
Post by
470415
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Post by
Morec0
*reads spoilers*
*puts gun to head*
I'm out, anyone coming with?
Post by
Behelich
You'd better be putting that gun to one of Blizz's higher ups in the Lore Committee and by out mean committing yourself to rotting in prison for murder and blackmail, Morec.
Post by
Rankkor
*reads spoilers*
*puts gun to head*
I'm out, anyone coming with?
save a bullet for me bro', cuz I swear to god, if they don't improve their lore after MoP I'm out. I honest-to-god swear I'm out, washing my hands off warcraft forever.
Again, there is a chance those spoilers are fake, but they came from the same guy who very accurately spoiled the story of both The Shattering, and Twilight of the Aspects (With a 90% accuracy ratio)
You'd better be putting that gun to one of Blizz's higher ups in the Lore Committee and by out mean committing yourself to rotting in prison for murder and blackmail, Morec.
Not necesarily, put gun to the lore committee, then to yourself. Problem fixed.
Seriously, this is HORRIBLE, its like the lore its getting worse and worse with every book and every expansion. Crimson said it very accurately, they're going George Lucas on us.
Post by
Atik
What's so bad about Jaina hitching up with Kalec? And it seems like they're killing off all of Knaaks characters to please the fans who hate knaak.
Because they have nearly no campatability, both already have other more sensible ships, and their ship is fueled by absurd amounts of crack. (And Metzen nerdraging. *shrug*)
Post by
Rankkor
What's so bad about Jaina hitching up with Kalec? And it seems like they're killing off all of Knaaks characters to please the fans who hate knaak.
Because they have nearly no campatability, both already have other more sensible ships, and their ship is fueled by absurd amounts of crack. (And Metzen nerdraging. *shrug*)
Not to mention that just like the Thrall/Aggra relationship, this was done specifically and exclusively to sink the Jaina/Thrall ship (While at the same time sinking the Kalec/Tiry ship)
I seriously hope those spoilers were fake, but sad as it sounds, they sound EXACTLY like something they would write. Worst part is, less than 4 years ago, if I had read spoilers like those, I'd believe the one writing them was on a serious coctail of Crack/LSD/Cocaine. Today? its plausible enough to sound legit.
Post by
470415
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Post by
Rankkor
Oh and it's somewhat more funny. Metzen threw a hissyfit about Thrall and Jaina because all of Jaina's boyfriends go evil and get killed.
So what, they're trying to kill Kalec now instead?-!
You know thats where this is heading. You and me both know and I'm not even gonna fake a surprise when Kalec gets sha-ified and we get to put him down.
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470415
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Post by
Rankkor
Oh and it's somewhat more funny. Metzen threw a hissyfit about Thrall and Jaina because all of Jaina's boyfriends go evil and get killed.
So what, they're trying to kill Kalec now instead?-!
You know thats where this is heading. You and me both know and I'm not even gonna fake a surprise when Kalec gets sha-ified and we get to put him down.
If they even DARE. I'm going to go on a table-flipping spree.
we already had ONE Blue Aspect go crazy and have to be killed. And I don't dang care if he's not really the Aspect anymore, they aren't doing that to another one on my watch!
BRB NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE AND GET INTO BLIZZ AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
After reading those spoilers I'm already this close to go on a table-flipping spree.
Its so sad that after 15 years of following this franchise's lore loyally, and yearning to see more adventures on azeroth, eventually, all blizzard cares about doing is
this
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