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Post by
Atik
Horde bias
Wouldn't that actually be Alliance bias? Since the alliance clip case is apprently better enough to cost ten dollar more.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Horde bias
Wouldn't that actually be Alliance bias? Since the alliance clip case is apprently better enough to cost ten dollar more.
Actually that's what I was thinking. Oh, I just found out that Jeff Grubb is an ArenaNet staff member for Guild Wars 2, which bodes well for Guild Wars 2's story writing.
Didn't you know? a good chunk (over 70%) of Arenanet's staff is made of former blizzard employees, including the genius behind their MPQ file compression technology..........
Its part of why they're so obsessed of making their game as different from wow as humanly possible. While I applaud the enthusiasm, at some points it gets rather silly. I mean really, why would they call them "Renowed Hearts"? They're quests, calling them "hearts" isn't gonna make them any different.
And dont speak of horde bias, =( alliance loses theramoore and they get a fancy tabard complete with slogan "Remember Theramoore"
We lose taurajo and what did we got? jack squat.
Post by
Behelich
Sorry, rank, but Taurajo is not nearly as important as Theramore.
Not that I think that what happened at Taurajo was not terrible, mind you. However, Theramore stems back all the way to Warcraft 3. While Taurajo is, in the end, a village that happened to be guarding a chokepoint for Mulgore, Theramore used to be THE Alliance city in Kalimdor.
Add it to the fact that Jaina Proudmoore is one of the most beloved characters in the fandom and THE best leader (well, maybe on par with Magni) in the whole of the Alliance. That just added insult to injury.
Post by
Rankkor
Regardless of the importance of the city, alliance players still get a souvenir of it, whereas we get none.
Then again maybe there is no bias after all, since on the pre-cataclysm event, the gnomes failed to take back gnomergan (for reasons I can't even begin to fathom. NOBODY liked that instance, and cata would had been the BEST moment to get rid of it forever) whereas the trolls were able to take back the echo islands just fine.
I still would had loved to have something to remember taurajo by U_U
Post by
Behelich
We got ourselves Tranquillien tabard (the first faction I ever got exalted with, yay!), so there =P
And now that you mention it, I'd like to have something reminding me of Southshore other than the nuclear wasteland in its place >.>
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
I actually like that they're going out of their way to be as different as possible, I mean look at humans in Tyria, they can turn into giant tree elementals as a racial, HUMANS!
Being fair, if you really dig up on their lore, Humans on that game are more or less elves without the pointy ears.
More beautiful than the other races? check.
Had a vast empire that covered all the land and now its down to a shadow of its former self? check.
First to dominate magic and thus developed an attitude about it? check.
Fairly androgynous models for the males? ohhh you better believe that's a check.
The Norn are more akin to actual humans (except taller, and wilder) than the humans. For all intents and purposes, they are elves without pointy ears. (not that I'm complaining, its interesting to see this role-reversal)
And instead of orcs, the racial enemy of humans are centaur. Whoever heard of Centaur being the enemies of humanity?
Little correction there bro', their ancestral enemy was the Charr, and those guys are almost orcs in everything but name. They may be humanoid cats, but look at the similarities:
a militaristic race that glorifies warfare and honor: Check
Uses really awesome pronouns as names (Such as bloodclaw, and ripfang): Check.
Their armor and architecture HAS A LOT OF SPIKES: Check
Have really low guttural voices: Check.
Were once slaves of someone who used deceit to trick them into servitude and were forced into being sworn enemies of the humans but now that they broke free they are at a fragile truce with them: Check.
The similarities are too glaring to ignore. Take your average warcraft orc, give them the industrial-revolution flavor of the goblins, make them humanoid cats with horns instead of green skin with tusks, and voila , you get the Charr.
Centaurs are as serious a threat to humans as Kobolds are to stormwind.
(also I get the feeling we should continue this conversation on one of the GW threads, but I'm kinda meh on the idea of necroing one of those just to have a minor conversation about the (fairly short) lore of that game, if the rest of the board don't mind too much we could continue it here.)
I wasn't serious btw :), I actually loled when I saw the image of the horde and alliance tags.
yes yes, I even rectified my stance regarding the whole bias thing, for every hug blizz gives a faction, they also give a kick, I haven't actually sat down and counted the kick/hug ratio on each side, but so far, each has gotten their lion's share of both.
Free burgers?
Ok I'll admit it :P that one was funny.
Post by
Monday
Ok I'll admit it :P that one was funny.
This ^ It made me chuckle.
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588688
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Post by
Morec0
And instead of orcs, the racial enemy of humans are centaur. Whoever heard of Centaur being the enemies of humanity?
Little correction there bro', their ancestral enemy was the Charr, and those guys are almost orcs in everything but name. They may be humanoid cats, but look at the similarities:
a militaristic race that glorifies warfare and honor: Check
Uses really awesome pronouns as names (Such as bloodclaw, and ripfang): Check.
Their armor and architecture HAS A LOT OF SPIKES: Check
Have really low guttural voices: Check.
Were once slaves of someone who used deceit to trick them into servitude and were forced into being sworn enemies of the humans but now that they broke free they are at a fragile truce with them: Check.
The similarities are too glaring to ignore. Take your average warcraft orc, give them the industrial-revolution flavor of the goblins, make them humanoid cats with horns instead of green skin with tusks, and voila , you get the Charr.
Centaurs are as serious a threat to humans as Kobolds are to stormwind.
(also I get the feeling we should continue this conversation on one of the GW threads, but I'm kinda meh on the idea of necroing one of those just to have a minor conversation about the (fairly short) lore of that game, if the rest of the board don't mind too much we could continue it here.)
Ya, but charr and humans are no longer at war, not that they're best friends forever, and the Centaur from what I've seen of the human starting zone (you zone in to your city getting sieged my centaur who are going around killing people), they seem much more serious a threat to humanity than kobolds in wow, I mean just look at them
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/a/ab/Centaur_Raiders_concept_art.jpg
they're the most hardcore looking centaur I've ever seen. As of now, the Centaur are humanity's racial enemy, though it sounds like it was the humans' fault the centaur hate them, since they were being displaced by humanity's spread years ago and attempted peace but the humans refused.
Let's be honest; whenever human's have enemies it's almost always the humans fault.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Ya, but charr and humans are no longer at war, not that they're best friends forever
Same deal with the Warcraft orcs and humans, they were at a bloody war before, but came to a very fragile truce during the third war, and that truce has just recently been broken in cataclysm and MoP. Same deal with the humans and Charr on GW. They were at a really bloody war, and today they are at a very VERY fragile truce.
another similarity between charrs and orcs is that orcs structure their entire society in clans, like the warsong, and the frostwolves, the Charrs do the same, except they're called legions instead of clans. There's the blood legion, ash legion, iron legion, and flame legion.
Centaurs are a threat to the GW2 humans, but they're not their "ancestral enemy". That position would belong to the charr, with whom the humans warred for centuries before the Charr (Just like the orcs) broke free of their deceiving masters (The Shaman Caste) and forged their own destiny, and grudgingly settled a truce with the humans.
Also what morec said was true, in most settings, whenever the humans have a long standing enemy, its almost always the human's fault. In GW2 the humans were the ones who provoked the Charr into war, (and were almost wiped out for their troubles) and later did the same to the centaurs.
And I agree with you that those centaurs look amazing. All in all, I like the art style of GW a lot more than the cartoonish art style of warcraft. If you think those look cool, you should see the centaurs, and orcs of Lineage II, now that's the most gorgeous MMO I've ever seen.
Post by
Adamsm
Guys, if there needs to be anymore GW discussion, could you please take it to the proper thread in Randomness?
Post by
Rankkor
humm its not so much a "discussion" more like a comparison. I was pointing out the many parallels between Warcraft Orcs, and Guild War's Charrs.
Its just that necroing a 2 year old thread just to continue this small conversation is so groan-worthy for me..........
Edit: and remember, its "off-topic" not "randomness"
T_T that one died a long time ago.
Post by
Atik
Off-topic is pretty random at times, though... sooooo...
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Oh definately, when I see more fantasy like this I want the art style to look beautiful and realistic, it's a shame when I look at the comic-book style cartoon that wow's artstyle is consistent of, but Chris Metzen IS a big comic book fan after all.
Its worse than that.
Comic-book art style isn't so bad, its cartoonish art style that is a bit off.
For proof of this, read any warcraft comic, and watch the character's hand and feet. Then do the same in the game.
Pretty much the only race that is rendered non-cartoonish on the whole game are the worgens (males, the females look like an angry cartoon chihuahua) but everything from trees, houses, lamps, people, is rendered in an art style that is cartoonish, like the loonie toons.
And this goes back as far as warcraft 2 (warcraft 1 may not have counted, because it was very pixelated, and every game looked like that back then)
I love the story of wow, and its not only the reason I started playing it, currently, its the only reason I still play it, but good gravy, how I loathe its art style. How I wish it had a more realistic approach, or even a Comic-book approach, or hell, even an anime-like approach.
Post by
Behelich
I love the story of wow, and its not only the reason I started playing it, currently, its the only reason I still play it, but good gravy, how I loathe its art style. How I wish it had a more realistic approach, or even a Comic-book approach, or hell, even
an anime-like approach.
I would have been a happy man if Varian looked like
this
in-game, and not, you know, all King Chynn mode.
Post by
Rankkor
my point exactly.
Thanks to the comic, we know how the characters would look if they had a more realistic design, and thanks to the manga, we know how they'd look if they had an anime-like design.
Both BEAT THE LIVING CRAP out of how they actually look in the game. Wow's Stylized cartoonish look is both outdated, and plain simply ugly-looking. I'd love it if they changed it, but more likely than not, it would take making the game from the ground up, so we know that's not gonna happen.
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