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Post by
Adamsm
Or....the Waters affected the Mogu constructs like the Curse of Flesh affected the Earthen.
Post by
Rankkor
interesting. The pandaren racial leaders are also the monk trainers. Both Ji and Aysa are monk trainers.
It would be kinda cool that every faction leader could train players of the same class as them. Like Velen being a priest trainer, or Thrall being a shaman trainer. Or a class similar to them, like Sylvannas and Vol'jin being hunter trainers.
Problem is, most racial leaders are warriors =/ (Varian, Garrosh, Gelbin, Baine, Muradin, Greymane, Lorthe'mar, ect)
Edit: It would prolly be a redundant change anyways, since trainers in MoP only reset specs and talents, you don't actually need them to train your spells.
Post by
Atik
So... I was thinking about something earlier....
I know that in-game, Shadow Priests have Vampiric Embrace, and that in lore they can 'sow up' undead.
But can Shadow Priests properly heal non-undead?
Post by
Rankkor
I'd think they can. Though in their case, it isn't so much a "heal" more like a "shadow-bind" in which they use shadow magic to tie flesh together again. Like magical duct tape =P
Post by
Behelich
It has the light side, the dark side, and it holds stuff together. May the Duct Tape be with you.
Post by
Rankkor
It has the light side, the dark side, and it holds stuff together.
May the Duct Tape be with you.
Amen.
Post by
Patty
There was a theory raised on the priest forums about shadow healing, actually, and how undead can heal/draenei can DPS. Basically, the poster said that perhaps you can be a shadow healer by removing shadow, not by injecting light. If that makes sense. Of course, that has limitations as shadow is probably not responsible for losing a forearm if someone hacks it off. But still.
Post by
Rankkor
There's something that has been bugging me for quite some time.
Wrathion says that he's the last black dragon left on azeroth in Mists of Pandaria, but to my knowledge, there's a ton of black dragons that weren't confirmed kills.
Sabellian is still in outland, Serinar is never heard of again, and there are no quests to kill Seldarria, and these are just 3 black dragons that were never confirmed KIAs. So why would Wrathion say he's the last? Pride? or trying to protect the rest of his kin?
Special part to note here: Seldarria is one of the last fertile breeding female black dragons in existence, so why is there a lack of a quest to kill her, is absolutely baffling.
Post by
Adamsm
He says he's the 'last' because he means the he's the only uncorrupted Black on the planet; all of the rests are still the twisted versions of themselves.
Edit: Also, a good article, that follows my own line of thinking:
Why Garrosh Shouldn't Die.
Post by
Rankkor
but wrathion specifically says he's the last black dragon on azeroth. Meaning he did recognized his brothers and sisters as dragons as well even if they were corrupted.
Its even one of his taunts on MoP if you annoy him too much when clicking him.
Did you hear what happened to the rest of the Black Dragonflight?
I had them killed, all of them...
...and they were family.
But as I've mentioned, not all of the black dragonflight is dead, Sabellian is still on outland as far as we know, and at the very least Serinar and Seldaria are not confirmed kills either (Seridar never shows up again after WOTLK, Seldaria is on stonetalon and while we're sent on a quest to kill a few of her whelps, there is no quest to kill her)
Post by
Rankkor
MehEdit: Also, a good article, that follows my own line of thinking:
Why Garrosh Shouldn't Die.
Meh, I disagree with just about everything said in that article.
Putting aside the obvious bias of its author (Killing Garrosh is bad, but apparently Killing Sylvannas would be awesome) if garrosh doesn't die, it means he's gonna stick around. And since he's a TERRIBLE character, I just don't want that to happen.
Its as if Jar Jar was made a Jedi Knight and acompanied Anakin in the entire duration of the clone wars. Bad characters have to either be killed, or
put on a bus
. I lean towards the killing part simply because it reduces the chances of
the bus coming back
Bad characters drag down a story, they ruin good stories, they BREAK good stories. Once a bad character has been introduced, if they dig themselves too deep into "scrappy" territory, they outta be removed.
Would you be fine if they pulled a "Holy redepmtion" BS on Sylvannas? just like that, let her get away with all she's done, just redeem her, she's alive again, reunites with her sisters, and live happily ever after? F*bleep*K that, after what she's pulled off in cataclysm, its time to remove that head from its shoulders.
If it can apply to her, it can apply to garrosh.
Post by
Adamsm
No I wouldn't Rank; but I also don't see Garrosh at Sylvanas' level.
And yes, I do want a real redemption for him; as it stands, it looks like he's going to survive his 'death' at the end of MoP, but won't be Warchief...which is really, how it should be. Make him a military commander, make him the 'official' Orc leader while Thrall is the Warchief, but don't just kill him off in such a pathetic way, killing off all those attempted character growth he went through.
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470415
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Post by
Rankkor
No I wouldn't Rank; but I also don't see Garrosh at Sylvanas' level.
And yes, I do want a real redemption for him; as it stands, it looks like he's going to survive his 'death' at the end of MoP, but won't be Warchief...which is really, how it should be. Make him a military commander, make him the 'official' Orc leader while Thrall is the Warchief, but don't just kill him off in such a pathetic way, killing off all those attempted character growth he went through.
nah, that would imply him sticking around, it would imply him still having any saying within the decisions of the horde, it would imply him actually giving orders. I've had ENOUGH of his barking for 2 expansions. I want him dead and gone, and I hope to christ blizzard delivers.
I had really enough of his macho bravado. And I've had enough second-chances given to him. During the previews of cataclysm, I was actually willing to believe he had turned a new leaf when I saw his dialog on Stonetalon and Silverpine, then I saw the rest of his actions, both during, and after cataclysm, and saw that he's a lost cause.
While not as monstrous as Sylvannas (not even close) he's still a disgrace to the horde, and a source of embarrassment for anyone who holds any love of the horde. So yeah, I want him dead. OR if he MUST be spared, exile him (After castrating him, we don't want any more hellscreams in the nearby future)
Edit: hell, even Nazgrim is tired of this jerkass.
A new land...he says. Paint it red...he says. *Sigh*
YOU'RE A GENIUS.
Of course I am
/flex.
On a different note: DAMMIT WOWPEDIA.
Y U NO MAKE HORDE INTRO TO PANDARIA?
Jesus christ, the entire alliance intro is written down, but only 5 horde quests are there, and none of them are about the intro sequence to the continent. This is exactly like on the Cataclysm beta, where the worgen starting zone got full coverage, but the goblin starting zone was only covered 3 weeks before the damn game went live.
What do I got to do to get some horde fans into the wowpedia staff? Jeez >_>
Edit 2: Ya know, the TCG artists should really get in the same tune as the lore dudes, because the Anduin Picture is really odd. The books of The Shattering, and Wolfheart say he is 13 years old but............
THIS
doesn't look like a 13 year old boy AT ALL. Just sain'
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Isn't Sabellion Dead? Isn't Seldarria Dead? Isn't Serinar Dead?
That's what I just said........... They're not.
Sabellion is that black dragon in Blade's Edge Mountain in outland that helps alliance players take down that son of gruul (Horde players on that quest get the help of the badass Rexxar instead). Last time we saw him, he was in outland, and nothing in lore says he ever returned to azeroth, so unless some source confirms him as a KIA, we can't assume he's dead.
Serinar is that dude on the Obsidian Dragonshrine on Dragonblight, a quest giver on WOTLK, after that expansion we never see or hear from him again (While we do hear from his sister, since she dies in the rogue legendary quest chain, we never hear from him specifically)
And Seldarria is on stonetalon mountains, but again, at no point we're sent to kill her, she's there, she remains there, and she is still there.
Might, MIGHT survive his death.
well, in all fairness, he did said "looks like". Its not really confirmed what they're doing with him. I still hope they kill him, or otherwise get rid of him (Via exile, banishment, ect) PERMANENTLY.
I had enough of his barking for a lifetime.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
well, in all fairness, he did said "looks like". Its not really confirmed what they're doing with him. I still hope they kill him, or otherwise get rid of him (Via exile, banishment, ect) PERMANENTLY.
I had enough of his barking for a lifetime.
Heh, can say that about quite a few of the people who get the lime light; but I really do think they can salvage the character....as long as they don't bow to popular opinion in regards to his fate.
Post by
Rankkor
Isn't Sabellion Dead? Isn't Seldarria Dead? Isn't Serinar Dead?
That's what I just said........... They're not.
I know, just imagining Metzen and crew's reaction to this, it's Falstad all over again, they forgot about those guys so that's why.
Ahhh....... yeah :S I can totally picture them having that reaction if anyone brought that up in a blizzcon lore panel (Its a shame I can't be there, I'd totally have some actual REAL questions that aren't a complete waste of time)
I just hope he goes down because of his own actions, his own decisions, his own ambition, not because the sha made him do it, so we had to put him down.
We don't need the sha to do that, as it is, garrosh has very little friends inside the horde, and just about none of them are outside of the orcs. Vol'jin swore he'd kill him, Baine barely tolerates him out of respect for his father's wishes, Sylvannas considers him a simpleton and a buffoon, and I highly doubt Lorthe'mar or Galliwyx have any love for him given how he treats and speaks of, the blood elves and goblins.
Even within the orcs he has prominent people who are against him, including Saurfang, Eitrigg, and Drek'thar.
Having said that, it IS highly likely that the sha will make garrosh worst. Remember that the sha feeds of negative emotions such as anger, and violence, and garrosh has plenty of both.
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