This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.5
PTR
10.2.6
General Lore Discussions
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
Atik
Yeah, during the New Hearthglen chain in Venomspite, they send you in to kill the three forsaken that had been captured by the Onslaught.
I took the reason as being the fact it would be fel and a half to get them out alive anyway. So it just saved resources to kill them and keep them quiet...
Post by
Rankkor
Yep, there is no quest from the Ebon Knights to kill their own, I should know, asides from being THE orc expert, I'm also a big fan of the ebon knights. And they don't kill their own. In a way, they are what the forsaken SHOULD be.
There is a quest in dragonblight to kill 4 forsakens who were captured.
Aye, the Blade is definitely about sticking together.
The Knights of the Ebon Blade: Friendship is Magic.
well played man, well played.
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah, during the New Hearthglen chain in Venomspite, they send you in to kill the three forsaken that had been captured by the Onslaught.
I took the reason as being the fact it would be fel and a half to get them out alive anyway. So it just saved resources to kill them and keep them quiet...
Of course, those are quests being done for the Vari led faction of RAS....which as we know, has no issue with casualties as long as the final plan keeps going on; after all, most of the other 'free the prisoner' quests just has the NPC's run away really fast and escape from the location heh.
Post by
229054
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
588688
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
Garrosh also has never attacked children....
Post by
Adamsm
And that's more or less just the flavor text from a Tauren NPC: since any member of Garrosh's Horde who did that would end up dead.....as seen when unnarmed children were nearly blown up in Stonetalon.
Post by
588688
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
We know nothing on Garrosh, since they haven't expanded anything, beyond his rage out.....though, Varian has a rage out too at the start of the invasion into Pandaria.
And actually, he's not friendly towards all of the Alliance, just Anduin: Everyone else is an enemy.
Edit: Also in regards to this Sunwalker: The White Tiger chastises both him and Anduin for bringing the Horde Alliance war to Pandaria, and when you fight the shadows of Garrosh and Varian, to show your own darkness, it says a lot.
So yeah, the Sunwalker is firmly Horde, and still has a massive dislike of the Alliance forces.
Post by
Rankkor
So, a sunwalker tauren is saying
Garrosh's horde attacks children
. Interesting, they really are blackwashing Garrosh in MOP. He's referring to Anduin in the speech btw, he's friendly to Anduin and alliance I think, due to Baine's friendship with Anduin.
That's just simple slander sold
Currently there is a schism in the horde, there are those who support Garrosh's view of the horde as an unstoppable war machine, meant to conquer every world and subjugate every race beneath the horde's heels, and there are those who support Thrall's View of the horde as a group of Noble Warriors, who live for battle, but fight with honor, and for a cause more noble than just meaningless bloodshed.
Its pretty common for 2 groups that hate each other to slander each other. It was gracefully illustrated by our very own CrimsonPut. He's very obviously democrat, or at the very least, anti-republican, so he acusses them of being misogynistic asshats and chauvinists pigs that believe women should stay in the kitchen. This is not true, but that doesn't stop him from saying it.
Thus, we shouldn't be surprised to see the pro-garrosh members of the horde, to accuse the pro-thrall members of being cowards, tree-hugging, flower-eating, sissies, and at the same time, the pro-thralls accuse the pro-garrosh of being child-killing, trouble-making savage brutes.
We see it all the time.
Hell, in-universe, the humans do it with the orcs too, they slander the orcs accusing them of being nothing more than animals incapable of acting in a civil way. But we've seen that while there are some orcs who are indeed like that, there are also others that are quite civil, polite, honorable, and noble.
The orcs do it too, they accuse the humans of being honorless hypocrite A-holes who love to throw the rock but hide the hand and pretend they are holy. And while there are humans that are like that, there are also noble humans as well.
TL;DR: You are again, reading too much into it sold. This is just common slander within the members of the horde. Garrosh has done a lot of stuff, but killing children is NOT one of them. Capishe?
Post by
229054
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Rankkor
So, a sunwalker tauren is saying
Garrosh's horde attacks children
. Interesting, they really are blackwashing Garrosh in MOP. He's referring to Anduin in the speech btw, he's friendly to Anduin and alliance I think, due to Baine's friendship with Anduin.
That's just simple slander sold
Currently there is a schism in the horde, there are those who support Garrosh's view of the horde as an unstoppable war machine, meant to conquer every world and subjugate every race beneath the horde's heels, and there are those who support Thrall's View of the horde as a group of Noble Warriors, who live for battle, but fight with honor, and for a cause more noble than just meaningless bloodshed.
Its pretty common for 2 groups that hate each other to slander each other.
This is a pretty interesting part of the issue, but I think its only part of it.
You see, Stonetalon happened under Garrosh. It may have been to his ignorance and despite the well-deserved 'dismissal', it still happened. Ruthlessness and Honor are part of all Hordes, but it so happens that often one is given more importance than the other and whenever its Ruthlessness, you have things like Stonetalon happening.
And even if Stonetalon is unique, that nowhere else in Kalimdor have Garrosh's Horde actually murdered children. Well, it would be much easier to believe that's true, to believe that the Horde at least tries not to murder children, if the Horde was set on conquering the world.
So what I'm trying to say is that it might not be Slander, so to speak. Rather a actual Belief, and not necessarily baseless.
Its the same thing that happened to Thrall, really. Angrathar happened under him and, despite Thrall's ignorance on the issue and a well deserved punishment (summary execution of the rebels and stricter observation of Forsaken strongholds and operations) - there were those who blamed the entire Horde (and Varian isn't the only one) and the worse thing is: not to their (the blamers) fault.
a very fair observation. Still, the point remains that what the sunwalker is saying, shouldn't be taken at face value because we haven't seen it, and the one time children were confirmed KIA, garrosh went berserk on the dude responsible.
Unless something happens specifically that says with no ambiguity that horde troops killed underage non-combatants, under direct orders from garrosh, we can't just point and judge.
Post by
Behelich
I really doubt that Garrosh!Horde would murder minors
on purpose
even now, unless Garrosh literally jumps off the slippery slope to villainy all the way to the bottom. As of now it would throw whatever remains of his character out of the window.
That said, we (as in, humans playing the game and discussing the lore) have the advantage of being out of the box. For those in the world itself it would be easy to not only spread such rumors, but to also believe them.
Post by
588688
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
..../head desk
Sold, you are assuming things again; there have been no quests in Pandaria where the Horde has killed children. Jesu Tap Dancing Christo; get the hell off this kick.
get's corruptedHasn't happened yet, no one knows what causes it: If it's the Sha, it's about drawing out emotions, not the same type of corruption of Fel.
has been doing nasty stuff beneath orgAs said months ago: Has not been confirmed that it was Garrosh who set up the Dark Shamans....Horde quests there say the investigator isn't sure how they got in place....and the Alliance quest givers are just assuming things.
and does things so horrible that EVERYONE will have a reason to want to take him downAnd they've already back pedaled on the whole 'kill Garrosh' thing; we'll fight him, but after things the Blues have said, I don't think he's going to end up dead.
so it baffles me that anyone is still trying to whitewash him.Not whitewash, wait for all the information, since trying to make an assumption for anything else is just silly.
Post by
Behelich
After playing through Maiev's campaign again, I cannot help but wonder.
Furion and Tyrande clearly had massive forces with them, even after the battles and after Maiev departed after Illidan. Yet they did not raise a finger to try and help the land - although previously Furion clearly states that the land is in agony and mutters something about his druids before vision overcomes him.
What's more, even though Kael is directly responsible for brothers' reconciliation and Tyrande's survival, no mention is made of him after they ally.
Makes you wonder what would've happened if the night elves stayed just a little longer.
Post by
229054
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
588688
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
If I said it was Varian's alliance killing unarmed children, you and rank and everyone else here would've believed it.
No I actually wouldn't....but if you said that Varian was willing to hurt a 'child' well we've seen that already, in the fact he was more then willing to kill Med'an, not because he was a 'threat' but because he was the son of Garona.
See the thing is Sold: Random text does not equal anything, since we haven't seen the Horde 'kill children' anywhere in Pandaria, and we all saw what happened in Stonetalon. So, just like how Varian calls all Orcs 'violent vicious genocidal monsters', that does not follow that all of them are like that...at all.
And it is confirmed that garrosh has been doing nasty stuff beneath org, just not that the stuff going on in RFC in MOP is what he's been doing, but one could easily put two and two together and say it's 99% likely that that's it.Link it please Sold; I haven't seen that anywhere that it's been confirmed; there's also the fact that whatever is happening in RFC, the forces there attacked and attempted to kill the Orc special forces who went in....same as what happens to SI:7 forces; if they were working for Garrosh like you are suggesting, then they should have already known that.
Post by
588688
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.