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Post by
Adamsm
Sold....you have no sense of humour at all.
Edit: It's also tongue in cheek because while you are on the Wandering Isle, you learn that the 'monstrous' Horde was the prisoners of the 'noble' Alliance...and the time in the brig was not happy fun times; they weren't treated well while locked up.
As for the rest of the crap you put, I'm not even going to bother responding to that, since Lord of the Clans makes it really *!@#ing clear the camps are hell on earth and that there are females and children in them. So yeah, go learn your lore again, and stop acting like the Camps were a 'good' thing, since the Orcs still curse them to this day.
Edit 2: Sold, you do realize there were only 3 Orc clans not in the Camps right? The Frostwolves, who took off from the rest of the Horde as soon as the Portal was open, the Warsong who broke free of the Grand Alliance forces that tried to capture them at the Dark Portal after it was destroyed the first time, and the Blackrocks who ripped through the Grand Alliance forces and went into hiding.
Every other Orc on Azeroth was captured and thrown into the camps after the fall of Doomhammer; from the youngest child to the oldest gray beard. If you really want to make a comparison for how bad those camps were, they were just as bad as the ones the Nazi's came up with: Orcs were starved, beaten, worked to death, killed for amusement(again, the Arena was a big draw of Durnholde) and treated as less then human. These were not the roaring rage filled Orcs of the Dark Horde, these were a group of broken and lethargic beings who were coming down hard after their Fel corruption was wearing off. These orcs were committing suicide rather then live in the camps; what the hell does that tell you about the place?
So yes, it actually would have been a thousand times more humane to kill the Orcs then let them suffer in the camps for years like they did till Thrall broke the lethargy and gave them back their spirits.
Edit 3: There were no civilian orcs on azeroth when the second war ended, the children were all born in internment.So....locking up children, just because they were born as an orc, is justified and moral eh? As long as the Alliance does it right?
Yeah, the only bias is you and your refusal to even admit that anything bad happened. "Oh the camps weren't that bad because one person out of several thousand said they wanted to help the orcs. Oh it's not that bad the children died cause the parents did bad ^&*!." Whatever.
Post by
Rankkor
=O there's gonna be an alcaz island scenario.
I wonder what will be involved in it. We haven't really seen an update to that zone in........ ever? Well, since they removed varian from there that is.
Post by
Adamsm
=O there's gonna be an alcaz island scenario.
I wonder what will be involved in it. We haven't really seen an update to that zone in........ ever? Well, since they removed varian from there that is.
Might be a flash back to when the Scepter chain needed to go through there....or maybe some of the aftermath of the destruction of Theramore.
Post by
Rankkor
=O there's gonna be an alcaz island scenario.
I wonder what will be involved in it. We haven't really seen an update to that zone in........ ever? Well, since they removed varian from there that is.
Might be a flash back to when the Scepter chain needed to go through there....or maybe some of the aftermath of the destruction of Theramore.
I doubt any of the scenarios will be flashbacks, dunno, blizz has never done that before (except for the caverns of time, and even then, they aint flashbacks per se.)
It may have something to do with theramoore though. When its open for testing dont forget to let us know bro'.
Post by
Adamsm
Aye yup.
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Post by
Adamsm
Yeah, the only bias is you and your refusal to even admit that anything bad happened. "Oh the camps weren't that bad because one person out of several thousand said they wanted to help the orcs. Oh it's not that bad the children died cause the parents did bad ^&*!." Whatever.
You forgot that one : "The Alliance never did anything bad post WCIII."
Well that's a given in regards to Sold; no point in saying it again.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Again: The Pandarens met the Alliance forces, in much better armour, and had just heard from the Horde that they were prisoners on the ship, after trying to help them take down Deathwing...yeah, 'super' noble indeed. Of course, as you've proven time and again in all of your representations here on Wowhead; you wouldn't know a joke if it danced naked in front of you, gave you a big kiss, then kicked you in the ass: You'd still ask it 'Why are you being so serious?'.
So in conclusion, I'm going to have to call BS.Since that is all you spew; that's fine. Just don't expect anyone to take what you say seriously....of course, no one does now so.....
Also:
Tongue-In-Cheek
, since you don't seem to realize what that refers to, or can't see deeper then anything on the surface.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
No, actually, we're not lying Sold: When you first go into the area where the ship crashes, you meet the Horde forces first......and they tell you they were captured and broke out when the Sky fell. So yeah, the denial is all you.
And it's joke because it plays off people just like you Sold, who
need
the Alliance to be good so you can feel morally superior to the Horde. So yeah, again, bias bias bias x a million.
Edit: Also, Sold, you ignore lore all the time in your mad desire to make the Alliance the 'good' moral race.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
No, I read through all the quests and dialog, nothing says this.Go back and read again when Ji and Aysa first get there; Ji has a nice long discussion with Korag and the Pandaren quest giver about how the Horde ended up there, weaponless and in rags.
Too bad I got blizzard backing me now.No, you have your representation of how you think it goes; same as you do when you say things like 'But we don't know who ordered the attack!'(ignoring the Alliance tabards), 'But there were no civilians in the Horde!'(ignoring the women and young orcs in the camps), etc etc etc.
Also...I remember quite clearly, when you were tricked by that whole 'Elune is a Naaru' article on wowinsider; how you thought it was real, not realizing what Tin Foil Hat is. Sorry Sold, but your credit is long since gone.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Whatever Sold. Keep living in the world you live in, and I'll live in the real world.
Also: Not part of the quest, it's the dialog that starts up when you get there: Since the quest you get from the Tauren is to get him bamboo to make weapons well.....And the Alliance forces all have their armour and weapons. But keep thinking how you want to think, same as you always do.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Quest: Stalking Stalk
's to get the Bamboo to make weapons.
Korga
is the one who tells you about what happened. Oh, and
one more thing!
After arriving at the Forlorn Hut:
Korga Strongmane says: Wei, are these friends of yours?
Wei Palerage says: Never met them before in my life. Pandaren don't really come in any bad flavors though.
Korga Strongmane says:
Korga Strongmane, once prisoner of the alliance, now free and woefully unarmed tauren. Good to meet you, pandaren.
Aysa Cloudsinger says: The Alliance? If it's their ship that crashed, we need to contact them. Jojo, would you come with me?
Aysa and Jojo run off.
Ji Firepaw says: Korga, that crashed ship is the source of mush grief for our island. if we help your crewmates, can you help us dislodge it?
Korga Strongmane says: Gladly, my new friend. Our engineer is still in the wilds though - we'll need to rescue him first.
Ji Firepaw says: <name> is a master person finder. We're on it. Bolded; as we've been saying, the Horde who were left on the Skyfire were taken prisoner after the deaths of the original captain and the Horde representative.
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Post by
Adamsm
Yep, I read that before. Doesn't say they were imprisoned horde who were at on the skybreaker fighting deathwing, just says they were horde prisoners of the alliance. Nothing more. You're leaping to conclusions.
Lol, now who's in denial? Where else were these prisoners suppose to come from? A magical bird who pooped them out? See; there you go again, twisting the logic to suit your own twisted view point. Whatever Sold; there's the proof, keep denying, have fun, I'm finished.
To be honest, it's not so bad having next to no credibility. Being a crowd jester of sorts. No one believes you so you get much more freedom to say stupid ^&*!.
Lol.
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