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Adamsm
Not really, since that would mean that horde are evil, which is not what it's saying at all. Again, tongue in cheek humour to show that Metzen and the rest knows that stupid belief exists and they are playing on it.
A soldier is a soldier, not a civilian unit. Letting an enemy soldier get away is stupid as hell.I agree; but to most of the Horde side, being hit in the dark like that is the coward's tactic; Orcs, Tauren, Trolls are all about facing their opponents face to face.
No he said the death god can take you all, as in he's sick of the horde and doesn't want anything more to do with them, so yoggy can deal with them. And he was still in a fit of rage, which we all know was something that back then was a major issue for varian, which he resolved in wolfheart. Metzen still said that varian will give quests to save orc babies in the siege of orgrimmar to alliance players so.......He said that to Jaina and Rhonin, not to the Horde members; go re-watch the Ulduar trailer. Also, for the Shattering..there was that promotional poster that had Thrall and Cairne saving Horde children; that never happened in either game or Lore.
Who said anything about paragon of good? We're talking just plain ol' good here, and good people can get angry and say bad things out of rage....../shake head
Moira had just held his son hostage and put the entire city of ironforge in civil war, he probably thought that killing moira would be doing them a favor, then anduin reasoned with him that that wasn't the right thing to do, and he conceded and helped form the council. She was a freaking tyrant, the only problem with her death was that the rulership of ironforge would've been screwed up the ying yang, which anduin unfortunately had to explain to him.
Should he have known that beforehand? Yes.
Does that make him less good? No. It makes it clear that he was putting his rage before his rational thoughts, which is a negative trait, but it doesn't make him a bad person.Actually, she wasn't a tyrant; she was merely setting things up to make sure her son would be the actual heir to the throne: She only kept Anduin captive to keep the rest of the Alliance from striking at her...which almost back fired massively. And yes he should have figured that out, rather then running off like a little child in a rage. Never said he was a bad person, just saying he's not as Black and White as people paint him: He's got a %^&* ton of gray in him, same as everyone else.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
I figured the factions were the villains from the moment they said we woke up the Sha; that was a given.
And hopefully it's not: Let's see a real redemption for Garrosh instead of the half-ass stuff we've seen so far with Illidan and Lich King.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
They wouldn't lie to the players.....the new players who don't know about the factions.....Aaaaaaaaaaand you can't prove it's a joke.Annnnnnnd you can't prove they are being 100% serious either, considering how hard they've tried for the last 7 years to make sure neither faction is painted with the Villain brush.
Yes cowardly, but not bad. They just think it's Cowardly, not immoral.Um...no; considering the way they curse anyone who is a coward, I'd say it is immoral to them, as you aren't giving the person killed a true honourable death.
That was just art, and metzen said that varian saving orc babies will happen.Uh huh, not gonna hold my breath for that.
Again noone's saying the paragon of all that is good, just that he's a good person. Not that he's a saint who's never done anything wrong in his entire life. And she was still holding him hostage regardless.Um...you do? Since you see the Alliance as people who are only good and do no wrong? And she was holding him hostage to keep herself alive.
I figured that as well, but I still think they just mean that we're the cause of all the crap spewing sha all over pandaria, but we still spend the rest of the questing on pandaria fixing up our mess.I doubt that; hasn't happened anywhere else lol.
Blargh I say! I want his head on a pike at the end of the siege.And that's horrible writing.
Post by
Rankkor
Proof alliance is gray:
Assassins attacking an UNARMED VESSEL, MURDERING EVERYONE, capturing Thrall, (FYI: The biggest advocate for peace within the horde, pretty much the Ghandi of azeroth) AND WIPING OUT ANYONE WHO WITNESSES THE DEED.
Shiny morally perfect people don't do that.
Attacked Durotar and Honor point WHILE A PEACE TREATY WAS IN PLACE.
Shiny morally perfect people don't do that.
and the list really goes on and on. With the likes of Garithos, barthilas, blackmoore, and hundreds more who are like them, all of them officers in the highest echelons of alliance society.
The funny part is that you dismiss all of this as either being a retcon, being isolated bad apples, or the most laughable one "We don't know who sent them" dude WHO THE HELL CARES WHO SENT THEM? all that matters is that they are alliance, doing EXTREMELY F*bleep*KED UP S*bleep*T.
Gonna quote Lilah from Angel for this last bit:
Wesley
: There is a line, Lilah, black and white, good and evil.
Lilah
: Funny thing about black and white. You mix it together and you get gray. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in,
you're never gonna get anything but gray
.
Post by
Adamsm
Well, just ran through the new RFC....and it's not Demon blood or corruption being used to by the Dark Shamans: It's all Fireland stuff; lots of the new Ashhounds, the third boss is a Lava Burster Wyrm, and the Dark Shaman doesn't do much. So yeah, looks like they are left over Hammer cultists who have come back(possibly, haven't done the Horde version yet).
Post by
Septimus
My my, how this thread has grown.
Miss you guys.
Post by
Adamsm
Thought you weren't coming back Sept.
Post by
Septimus
It wasn't planned. Just a spur of the moment thing. Still not sure whether I might stay, it is highly unlikely.
Its not like I can just forget about the good times that I had on these forums, just because I don't appreciate what they have become. (This doesn't really apply to L&RP, the negative part that is.)
Post by
Adamsm
Heh right, well welcome back till you decide to leave again.
Post by
Rankkor
o_O septimus is back? DANG! Welcome back yo'
You probably don't remember me, but I sure do remember you :P
Post by
Septimus
o_O septimus is back? DANG! Welcome back yo'
You probably don't remember me, but I sure do remember you :P
Haha, I'm not sure if I'll be hanging around or not.
And I do remember you, although your English seems to be a lot better.
Post by
Rankkor
thank you, its been more or less 4 years since I've been playing wow and hanging on wowhead, so my english has improved a lot since then. My pronunciation still sucks though :S (Damn that soft R you guys use, I'm used to the strong R we use)
I do hope you visit regularly even if you don't plan to stay permanently.
Post by
Adamsm
Monks, they are fun.
Post by
Rankkor
Monks, they are fun.
they would be better if blizz improved the standard auto-attack animation for fist combat for the older races.
It looks horrible on just about everyone.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Oh give up already
You claim to give up yet keep pushing the point still........ lol?
Also, you haven't responded to the assassins wiping out witnesses on the lost island, nor to the attacks on Honor Point and Durotar prior to the cataclysm. (Who were using STORMWIND TABARDS not theramoore ones, as such these are NOT the same guys described by that dev poster)
gonna hand wave that with "we don't know who sent them" or "they are just misunderstood bad apples" or "that was a retcon"?
You have a very weird way to dismiss anything evil or dishonorable you don't like in the alliance as if it never happened, but hey, as soon as something evil is done by the horde, you yell it to the 4 winds, and don't waste the opportunity to "enlighten us" as to why that is proof that the horde is morally inferior to the alliance.
Hypocrisy rings any bells?
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