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306612
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Post by
Rankkor
All he said there was that horde will have their own version of realizing that they're supposed to be good and making the world a better place
Reading comprehension 101:
remembering what
the Alliance is supposed to be about. This lawful good overdrive. We're supposed to be superheroes, you know?
Have we lost our way a little bit with all this roughin' up? And I want players to feel that overdrive -- we're in it to make the world a better place.
And I think also the Horde will have its own version of that
, you know, stopping to consider what's happened the past couple of years and what's been lost and fighting its feet again, spiritually.
Interpretation for this soldrethar who's english is somehow crappier than mine (and english isn't even my main language)
Alliance are lawful good.
Horde have their own version of lawful good, and are just as heroic as the alliance is, but in a different way.
Just because one is lawful good doesn't make them superior to the other forms of good. Such as Chaotic Good, or even Neutral good.
You really need to pay more attention to the alignment meter from D&D because I don't really think you know the difference between all the 9 alingments on the board (
Lawful Good
,
Neutral good
,
Chaotic Good
,
Lawful neutral
,
True Neutral
,
Chaotic Neutral
,
Lawful Evil
,
Neutral Evil
,
Chaotic Evil
)
I suggest you take a good reading at
THIS
article, as well as the individual definitons of each aligment (not the glossed over short versions) before you continue trying to say the alliance is morally superior to the horde.
All you're doing right now is (pardon my harsh words ,but its true) is looking like a fool.
Hell, I bet if I ask you to describe the alignment of Sylvannas, and of Alleria you'd fail flat on that.
Post by
Adamsm
So stop projecting, since he's not saying they are the good guys.....AS HE'S MOCKING PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE THAT, JUST LIKE YOU!, those who need the Alliance to be all bright and shiny, when they are just as grimy as the Horde is.
To be honest though, the Alliance grime is so much camped between the lines that it's invisible to most players.
I think Metzen needs to create his own tags around his speeches; , cause people need to realize that not everything the devs say is meant to be taken as pure serious business all the time.
Post by
Rankkor
So stop projecting, since he's not saying they are the good guys.....AS HE'S MOCKING PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE THAT, JUST LIKE YOU!, those who need the Alliance to be all bright and shiny, when they are just as grimy as the Horde is.
To be honest though, the Alliance grime is so much camped between the lines that it's invisible to most players.
I think Metzen needs to create his own tags around his speeches; , cause people need to realize that not everything the devs say is meant to be taken as pure serious business all the time.
the part that baffles me the most is that metzen himself, after describing the alliance, and blatantly and specifically saying THAT THE HORDE HAS THEIR OWN VERSION OF WHAT THE ALLIANCE HAS, sold still says the alliance is the morally superior one.
Again I'd love to see what alignment he thinks Sylvannas is.
Post by
Adamsm
Because Sold need it to be so.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Adamsm
/facepalm Okay Sold, you keep believing when you play the Alliance you are really a Super Hero....but seriously man, learn to read and realize he was making a joke when he said that; doesn't mean they aren't good, but they aren't the super heroes of Azeroth just like the Horde isn't the super villains of the planet either.
Post by
Asylu
Though I rarely, if ever, chime in on the L&RP forums, I feel the need to about faction "alignments". As a avid player of AD&D I've spent waaaay too much time arguing about exactly what alignments mean and what can be done by certain alignments at the gaming table.
Alliance is by no means Lawful Good as a whole, they are more of a Lawful Neutral. It's the actions of the faction as a whole that determined this. Take for example the Pre-Cata launch patch, where we the players searched out and then had arrested people who had fliers by Twilight's Hammer, the casting out of beggers that has led to Westfall's decline and further more to be denied aid by their government for harboring them. These are not the actions of Lawful Good, nor even
Lawful Stupid
.
Horde on the other hand seems to be Chaotic Good, they put emphasis on personal freedoms and have a less rigid law structure. Now, as I am not much of a Horde player, I have little more to go on than what I have seen through Alliance side quests that encounter the Horde. With Garrosh as the Warchief though...there has been a radical shift it societal alignment. At this time the alignment seems to be slipping towards Chaotic Evil, and the people of the Horde don't seem happy about it.
Now, that said, I can get to my point. Alliance as a society is being led by a
Knight Templar
, willing to do what ever it takes to uphold the ideal they serve. This is a bad thing, as the moral compass of a Knight Templar is stuck at "My way is the only right way, oppose me and die", or North if you will. But Wrynn, at times only mind you, can be reasoned with. Garrosh is highly unstable too say the least, he has an ideal he wants but he's more of a
Well Intentioned Extremist
gone horribly wrong. And he has the Horde war machine backing him up...
Post by
Rankkor
Word of god said alliance is lawful good super hero side, and that horde
IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TOO
, there's no way to misinterpret it. You don't want to believe it is all.
Fixed it for ya.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
now that we're talking about alignments, for some reason THIS IMAGE cracked me up
http://alzrius.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/batman-alignment.jpg
:P
Post by
Adamsm
/facepalm Okay Sold, you keep believing when you play the Alliance you are really a Super Hero....but seriously man, learn to read and realize he was making a joke when he said that; doesn't mean they aren't good, but they aren't the super heroes of Azeroth just like the Horde isn't the super villains of the planet either.
There was nothing in that that implied he was making a joke. He was clearly serious on how he wants alliance players to feel proud to be the good guys out to make the world a better place. Seriously, I don't understand how you can think he was joking when nothing in his post implied he wasn't serious.
....Because Sold, he was making comments about superheroes and white knights...things that the vocal Horde minority use as insults against Alliance players; it's obvious he's playing up to that stupid stereotype, and telling us that both factions are going to do good in Pandaria...but there were still be bad things too(since we break Pandaria by waking up the Sha). That doesn't mean though, the Alliance are the 'good' guys of Azeroth.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Secret to Chinese Happiness is to Rub belly of giant happy statue........ while dodging the big-ass tornadoes
Post by
Adamsm
I think the reason you assume it was a joke is because you hate the idea and are attempting to convince yourself it was a joke despite the fact that nothing in the post indicated it was a joke, and it was clear as day by what he was saying that he was serious about wanting the alliance to be the white knights and for players of the alliance to be proud of this, proud to be out to make the world a better place.
/sigh *Count to 30* Sold, read my lips: Neither the Alliance or the Horde is completely good or evil; they can't be because of how Warcraft is set up. I'm not saying the Alliance or the Horde players can't be proud of their factions....but if he was completely serious about this, do you realize how much more *!@# we'd see on the forums as the Horde and Alliance players explode again into favoritism ^&*!. He's not being serious, because he wouldn't declare one side good or the other side evil....since you know, right after that thing you bolded he said the exact same thing about the Horde, so unless that means both factions are White Knights, Lawful Good and the true Heroes of all well.....
Edit: Seriously Sold, you need to learn to look deeper into things and stop acting like everything is just on the surface.
Post by
306612
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Post by
Rankkor
/facepalm Okay Sold, you keep believing when you play the Alliance you are really a Super Hero....but seriously man, learn to read and realize he was making a joke when he said that; doesn't mean they aren't good, but they aren't the super heroes of Azeroth just like the Horde isn't the super villains of the planet either.
There was nothing in that that implied he was making a joke. He was clearly serious on how he wants alliance players to feel proud to be the good guys out to make the world a better place. Seriously, I don't understand how you can think he was joking when nothing in his post implied he wasn't serious.
....Because Sold, he was making comments about superheroes and white knights...things that the vocal Horde minority use as insults against Alliance players; it's obvious he's playing up to that stupid stereotype, and telling us that both factions are going to do good in Pandaria...but there were still be bad things too(since we break Pandaria by waking up the Sha). That doesn't mean though, the Alliance are the 'good' guys of Azeroth.
I think the reason you assume it was a joke is because you hate the idea and are attempting to convince yourself it was a joke despite the fact that nothing in the post indicated it was a joke, and it was clear as day by what he was saying that he was serious about wanting the alliance to be the white knights and for players of the alliance to be proud of this, proud to be out to make the world a better place.
It's okay if you don't like the idea, but don't attempt to twist his words around to try and make it seem like he wasn't serious just because you don't wanna believe it.
Sold, its irrelevant if he was joking or being serious, the point remains that after describing the alliance he immidietly added THAT THE HORDE ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THEIR OWN WAY. Meaning no faction is better than the other, or morally superior than the other.
This is the part you continue to ignore or paraphrase for your convenience.
For the Alliance - Laws before Reason
For the Horde - Honor before Reason
:S this is a scarily (and depressingly) accurate description of both sides.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Adamsm
It's right there, black and white, clear as crystal that the alliance, in metzen's words, are "lawful good super heroic white knights out to make the world a better place", and why would he not be serious? You have to accept that the lore changes, and doesn't stay the same forever.And I can accept changes; but not when the comments are obviously jokes....since you know, no where in Azeroth are any races referred to as being super heroes.
Also, question: What does the alliance being morally good white knights have to do with the horde's morality? Why can't the alliance be lawful good without the horde being evil?Because if both of the factions were pure lawful good....what have they been fighting about?
Post by
Rankkor
sold, again you're ignoring me =(
so here it goes again
Sold, its irrelevant if he was joking or being serious, the point remains that after describing the alliance he immidietly added
THAT THE HORDE ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THEIR OWN WAY
. Meaning no faction is better than the other, or morally superior than the other.
This is the part you continue to ignore or paraphrase for your convenience.
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