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Post by
Adamsm
we got a Beer Elemental in MoP.Hey, that is pure awesome! Of course, you can just justify it as a Water Elemental forming in a beer vat heh.
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306612
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Post by
Adamsm
Well from what they are saying, the Brewery is meant to be a fun instance....I mean come on, drunken Hozen(monkey's) doing knife fights and dancing around, and the Beer Elementals; think I just found my new favorite instance in Pandaria.
But that story is pretty funny heh.
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306612
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Adamsm
Eh, could just have fun by yourself, since a lot of the stuff is more or less automated heh; LFD and LFR and all that.
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306612
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Adamsm
I hate those as they expose me to the WoW community at large. I didn't try LFR (I stopped playing before that went in) but LFD... There's a reason why I want people I actually know to play with. Because across all MMOs I've played, only one community is worse than WoW's.
/shrug I don't know, I've never really hit the super %^&* groups; guess I've just been lucky. Though, since RealID let's you form groups for LFD now well....lol.
Post by
Rankkor
What I'm really curious about is this : Garrosh is deposed, Thrall's the next Warchief... why are we warring again?
humm..... we dont?
Seriously, I'm certain, now more than ever, that the next expansion after MoP is going to be wow's last expansion. Its swan song so to speak.
We know something big is gonna happen on the pre-MoP event. This big event aparently involves theramoore in flames (Literal ones). And this event causes both factions to take off the gloves and engage in full-on war.
This war will continue to escalate patch after patch, until it reaches a point were Garrosh comes off as more of a madman than someone who has the interests of his people at heart. At that point we kill him, and to be honest, I don't see how the horde and alliance could STILL be at war after that.
The whole point of Pandaria is that negative emotions unleash Sha, negative energy beings that can even possess people. So I really see this expansion marking the end of the alliance vs horde war. HOWEVER, this whole thing is gonna be LAST on MoP.
So yeah, Thrall isn't going to be Warchief yet, that's gonna have to wait till the end of MoP and start of whatever the next expansion ends up being named.
Since Red-vs-blue is one of the biggest "hooks" of this game, it makes sense that the war would only be over after the game is over. AKA, when the last expansion rolls out, we kill the final boss (Sargeras or old gods, its still up in the air) cue fireworks, and that's that. Novels and Comics would wrap up the plot.
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Adamsm
Eh, they can keep the war(or at least battles) going forever if they really want to.
Edit: Humans are never gonna be friends with the Orcs
Forsaken and Gilneans will fight forever.
Trolls don't like nobody.
Blood Elves and Night Elves will be enemies till they are the only race left on Azeroth.
Gnomes and Goblins are in rival positions, as clearly seen in Gadgetzhan.
And the Pandarens, Taurens, Draenei and Dwarves will sit around chatting, knocking the other races out when they go too far.
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Rankkor
Eh, they can keep the war(or at least battles) going forever if they really want to.
Edit: Humans are never gonna be friends with the Orcs
Forsaken and Gilneans will fight forever.
Trolls don't like nobody.
Blood Elves and Night Elves will be enemies till they are the only race left on Azeroth.
Gnomes and Goblins are in rival positions, as clearly seen in Gadgetzhan.
And the Pandarens, Taurens, Draenei and Dwarves will sit around chatting, knocking the other races out when they go too far.
and yet 3 times (Read: Three) we've been THIS CLOSE of having full peace between the factions, yet were interrupted by outside forces (Twilight hammer, Burning Legion, Cult of the Damned)
They don't need to be friends in order to stop the war.
The US and China aren't exactly buddy-buddy BBF, but they aren't at war with each other, they share peace.
Same can be said about the Horde and Alliance. On the global level, its unlikely humans and orcs become friends, but on the individual level it IS possible for it to happen. After all, it happened with Tirion and Eitrigg, and it happened with Hemet Nesingwary (Who hired orcs taurens and trolls as part of his group and trusts them as companions and friends) and it happened with the merc crew of Budd, who also has a mixed race composition.
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Adamsm
Yeah, but even leaving out outside forces....you'd still specific members of both factions wanting to keep fighting; may not be out right war, but there would more then likely be areas that the fighting would keep going.
But some fights will never end; Elf vs Elf(come on, it's been 10 thousand years since the Highborne were cast out and the Night/High/Bloods still all have major issues with each other), Forsaken vs Worgen, and Orcs against Humans, cause neither side will ever give up and admit the other was wrong. And Gobs and Gnomes will fight intellectually till the end of time, as they both try to make the better machine....and then both of them blow up the planet.
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Rankkor
Yeah, but even leaving out outside forces....you'd still specific members of both factions wanting to keep fighting; may not be out right war, but there would more then likely be areas that the fighting would keep going.
Just like there were specific members within the US and the USSR who wanted to keep fighting at the end of the cold war. Now look, Russia and the US are allies today.
But some fights will never end; Elf vs Elf(come on, it's been 10 thousand years since the Highborne were cast out and the Night/High/Bloods still all have major issues with each other)
don't be so sure about that.
We've seen 2 major reconciliation efforts that went OK with the elves.
First the night elves (AKA: Most xenophobic race in the world along with the trolls) reconciled with the Shan'dralar highborne. If they could reconcile with these highborne WHO ACTUALLY AIDED THE LEGION, why can't they reconcile with the highborne who defected the legion? Then we get the fact that there are already highelves in the alliance and the night elves while not being all friend-friend like, still honor the peace agreement. Both sides do. In northrend (ON dragonblight to be more accurate) there is a High Elf Captain, leading an alliance strike force, and 50% of that strike force is night elves.
Then we get the second reconciliation, Blood Elves, wanting to unite ties with their high-elven brethren. After the recovery of the sunwell, the blood elves had little reason to let their high elf cousins use it. After all, they've been aiding an enemy faction, and collaborated NOTHING to recapture the sunwell. Yet the blood elfs understand that their high elf brethren has the same hunger as them, and so, the sunwell is a place of reconciliation between both of them.
So this shows they ARE willing to put aside hostilities, and at the very least tolerate each other, as long as no outside force meddles.
Forsaken vs Worgen
This one is relatively new. Take in consideration that when the forsaken attacked gilneas, 99% of the population were already feral worgens (part of the bloodpack) so the number of HUMAN gilneans who suffered at the hands of the forsakens are relatively few. And since they haven't been fighting for decades, there isn't enough build-up of bad blood between them.
IF there was a peace treaty by both factions, horde forces could withdraw from gilneas, and offer monetary aid to help in its reconstruction. And this would secure peace between the 2 groups. They'd still probably hate each other, but with a treaty in place, anyone who tries to ignite wars between the 2 would have to be punished. We've had similar cases work in real life, so it can work in wow as well.
and Orcs against Humans, cause neither side will ever give up and admit the other was wrong.
Again, as I've told you before on the individual level THERE ARE plenty of cases of humans and orcs being friends. And if they know that active animosity between them would spawn sha, and treathen to shatter the world again, they'd be a little more active in trying to avoid fanning the flames. The sha have been contained to pandaria all this time, but if the magical shroud surrounding the island is now vanished, that means they can spawn anywhere on azeroth. And the last thing humans and orcs want is to be spewing Sha everywhere on account of a grudge.
End hostilities, sign a peace treaty, and avoid confrontations with each other. They don't have to like it, but they will have to do it to put an end to the sha. And without third-party factions intervening to shatter that peace, this one CAN last. After all, on the theramoore summit we were THIS CLOSE to have permanent peace between the 2 factions. Varian, for all the bonehead he can be, CAN listen to reason when his son intervenes, and Thrall, is the most level-headed person on the world. They can have lasting peace if there's no third group to shatter it, and with the twilight hammer dead, the cult of the damned dead, and the burning legion mostly out of azeroth, it is possible.
(Continue.........)
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Rankkor
I hate those as they expose me to the WoW community at large. I didn't try LFR (I stopped playing before that went in) but LFD... There's a reason why I want people I actually know to play with. Because across all MMOs I've played, only one community is worse than WoW's.
out of curiosity, what community is worst than wow's?
Post by
Rankkor
Blizzard has talked about turning Jaina's hair all white because of the shock, and her becoming this very
violent and dangerous
mage.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BLIZZARD Y U MAKE ALL WOMEN CRAZY?
/sobs.
Post by
Adamsm
I hate those as they expose me to the WoW community at large. I didn't try LFR (I stopped playing before that went in) but LFD... There's a reason why I want people I actually know to play with. Because across all MMOs I've played, only one community is worse than WoW's.
/shrug I don't know, I've never really hit the super %^&* groups; guess I've just been lucky. Though, since RealID let's you form groups for LFD now well....lol.
Que up for random heroic and get randomly placed in a zandalar heroic. Realize that your teamates are fresh 85s, you are now in hell.
Oh, apparently garrosh gets corrupted, and has been doing screwed up %^&* beneath org all this time :
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
"Garrosh has become corrupted and has been doing some really nasty things beneath Orgrimmar."
Maybe this will finally explain that dire orc in gilneas.......
Yeah......no, not looking as I don't trust anything that comes from MMOChump and the Boob. I'll wait for Beta.
Just like there were specific members within the US and the USSR who wanted to keep fighting at the end of the cold war. Now look, Russia and the US are allies today.Barely; Russia still goes out of it way to not do the same thing as the States(Syria), and be their own country.
don't be so sure about that.
We've seen 2 major reconciliation efforts that went OK with the elves.
First the night elves (AKA: Most xenophobic race in the world along with the trolls) reconciled with the Shan'dralar highborne. If they could reconcile with these highborne WHO ACTUALLY AIDED THE LEGION, why can't they reconcile with the highborne who defected the legion? Then we get the fact that there are already highelves in the alliance and the night elves while not being all friend-friend like, still honor the peace agreement. Both sides do. In northrend (ON dragonblight to be more accurate) there is a High Elf Captain, leading an alliance strike force, and 50% of that strike force is night elves.
Then we get the second reconciliation, Blood Elves, wanting to unite ties with their high-elven brethren. After the recovery of the sunwell, the blood elves had little reason to let their high elf cousins use it. After all, they've been aiding an enemy faction, and collaborated NOTHING to recapture the sunwell. Yet the blood elfs understand that their high elf brethren has the same hunger as them, and so, the sunwell is a place of reconciliation between both of them.
So this shows they ARE willing to put aside hostilities, and at the very least tolerate each other, as long as no outside force meddles.And during the 4 years between the Frozen Throne and WoW, the Blood Elves did some incredibly %^&* things to their High Elf cousins, and the Night Elves treated both of them like absolute crap(not trusting High's by the Moonwells and out right killing any Bloods they found in their lands). Elf memories are long in Warcraft Rank....I can't see them uniting without a larger threat breathing down their neck.
Again, as I've told you before on the individual level THERE ARE plenty of cases of humans and orcs being friends. And if they know that active animosity between them would spawn sha, and treathen to shatter the world again, they'd be a little more active in trying to avoid fanning the flames. The sha have been contained to pandaria all this time, but if the magical shroud surrounding the island is now vanished, that means they can spawn anywhere on azeroth. And the last thing humans and orcs want is to be spewing Sha everywhere on account of a grudge.
End hostilities, sign a peace treaty, and avoid confrontations with each other. They don't have to like it, but they will have to do it to put an end to the sha. And without third-party factions intervening to shatter that peace, this one CAN last. After all, on the theramoore summit we were THIS CLOSE to have permanent peace between the 2 factions. Varian, for all the bonehead he can be, CAN listen to reason when his son intervenes, and Thrall, is the most level-headed person on the world. They can have lasting peace if there's no third group to shatter it, and with the twilight hammer dead, the cult of the damned dead, and the burning legion mostly out of azeroth, it is possible.
And there are still lots of cases where Humans hate Orcs(all of the Alliance Human force in Swamp of Sorrows were made up of survivors of the older wars). Hell, there's still old hates in our world and we've had a lot longer then Humans and Orcs have had to try to get things right. So sorry Rank, but even at the end of Mists, I don't see any big love in of the other races, since those old hates are still there.
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Rankkor
hummm adamsm, that didn't come from MMOChamp.
That article was boub saying that the different staffs of different wow fan sites asked different questions, and while when the NDA was lifted they posted the questions made by MMOchamp staff, today they posted some of the questions (And answers) by OTHER gaming sites.
specifically WoWInsider, Blizzplanet, AusGamers, Wowhead, Gameplanet and Buffed.
so no, this doesn't come from MMOchamp, this comes from other sites who also interviewed blizzard.
Garrosh is becoming corrupted (Or was corrupted all along) and they are considering making Jaina a Sylvannas 2.0 (Complete with the white-hair symbolism)
/facepalm.
There goes the last well developed female on warcraft.
WHAT IS IT WITH THEIR OBSESSION WITH KILLING OFF, OR CORRUPTING ALL THE WOMEN?
DAMN THEM TO HELL!
And during the 4 years between the Frozen Throne and WoW, the Blood Elves did some incredibly %^&* things to their High Elf cousins, and the Night Elves treated both of them like absolute crap(not trusting High's by the Moonwells and out right killing any Bloods they found in their lands). Elf memories are long in Warcraft Rank....I can't see them uniting without a larger threat breathing down their neck.
stop living in the past and look to the FUTURE. On cataclysm, Night elves mended fences with shan'dralar highborne (Who are WAY WORST than white elves, since the former (whities) DEFECTED from the legion, while the latter (Shan'dralar) SIDED WITH THE LEGION)
and Blood Elves have been mending fences with the high elves on the sunwell.
So just because they did bad stuff to each other in the past, doesn't mean they can't put it aside for the future.
So sorry Rank, but even at the end of Mists, I don't see any big love in of the other races, since those old hates are still there.
For the billionth time, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LOVE, I'm talking about PEACE.
which CAN be achieved even if they don't like each other.
Post by
Adamsm
I know they have Rank...but look how long it took the Shen's to even leave their lands, as they were worried they'd be killed on sight. All I've been saying is that there is a long history of the Elves of Warcraft not forgiving or forgetting quickly.....but after what the Blood's did to some of the High's, I can understand them not just saying 'oh it's okay, you were in the middle of a Fel addiction when you captured members of our smaller population and force fed us demon magic! Sure, we can be all happy and lovey now!'.
For the billionth time, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LOVE, I'm talking about PEACE.
which CAN be achieved even if they don't like each other.And it's Warcraft Rank; peace is always fleeting.
Post by
Behelich
Who knows, maybe now Jaina will remember pre-corruption Arthas even more fondly... But really, he's like the reason there's no way her turning evil will ever make sense. Hey, it's confirmed they still harbored feeling for each other riiiight until we killed him.
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