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Rankkor
Except the question was regarding the humans who invaded the barrens. Also, this is the google translation:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4079872672?page=1
Q. invasion Barrens Coalition forces seem to wear the the Theramore shirt. Under the command of Jaina? And this time far from in Theramore before the events of the upcoming, what they are for what reason to attack Orgrimmar? It seems that the Horde and Alliance, the expansion of the earth fission has been plunged into full-scale war.
A.Gal Rouch wants to destroy the night elves, and the entire Kalimdor into the tribal territory. Earth fission the Theramore human troops trying to establish a military line between the territory of the port and the night elves. But the results do not do, such as their expectations.
try harder: humans who invaded barrens wearing THERAMOORE TABARDS.
Also Google translation is also fail, just look at that unholy mess man. Garrosh wanting to destroy all night elves? again, if that was true, then explain what happened to Krom'gar.
Dude, that dev's explanation was exclusively because one player was asking why were there humans with THERAMOORE TABARDS on the barrens, if at that point the horde hadn't attacked Theramoore. Dev said those were mobilized in response to the horde attacks on ashenvale............ which were provoked by the alliance attacks on durotar and honor point (by non-theramoore-tabarded-troopers)
stop trying to find the fifth paw to this cat dude.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Sold, like Rank said, get over the Horde bias, get off your butt and make a Horde death knight and go and actually do the quests in Azeroth; you'll learn a lot more then you realize by seeing the conflicts on both sides, since your whole 'Garrosh is a villain!' stance is like a stool with just one leg: Useless. Stonetalon and Ashenvale both prove that Garrosh has standards for his people and wants to make sure his troops follow that...and if you screw up and do something he doesn't like, he will threaten to or kill you for it.
As for MoP: It's probably going to be the Sha who are the 'true' evil of the Expansion.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Sorry, but nothing can ever make me see garrosh as anything other than a villain after gilneas unless he redeems himself, which would make me puke rainbows. Being as objective as possible, it's still evil. Come on now, a port? Wiping out an entire civilization for a port? I would put it in the grey area if it was, like, wiping out a civilization because your people need the land as their is no other suitable land for your people. But for a freaking war port? But, wait, he wants to wipe them out, "honorably", so no plague sylvanas.Um...what? He sends the Forsaken to Gilneas yes, and he orders them to not use the Plague....but he never told her to wipe out the Gilneas people, that was all Sylvanas.
"Yes, wipe out the country, all the men, woman and children, but don't use the plague to do so, that'd be dishonorable. Instead of giving them a horrific, slow and painful death by acid gas, instead hack them to bits with sharp weapons. It's somewhat less horrific, so that makes it A-ok! Herp derp I haz honor". Sorry, he's a monster. He has no honor, no standards, and doesn't give a dam about his people. As kosak said, he's plunging the world into chaos with his war, even at the expense of his own people. (And again, this is from kosak, not me). And lets also remember how he held kidnapped magnataur and their children, holding the children hostage and threatening to kill them if their parents didn't help them take over ashenvale. And, also, in wrath, he tried to justify killing children because "they might grow up to want to kill us for killing their parents". Wow, what a nice, honorable guy!Refer to the above, since he never says that. Also, in Wrath, Saurfang tells him if he ever tries that, Garrosh will be tasting Saurfang's weapon....and considering how he reacts to the Stonetalon bombing, where he thinks Krom'gar just destroyed an entire neutral outpost of allies of the Horde and Night Elves, including children, I'd say he's long since gone past the 'killing kids is okay'. Seriously Sold, go do the @#$%ing quests already.
And before you say "varian is just as bad", varian isn't even remotely comparable. At least varian has rational reasons for wanting war with the horde, as depth outside of "me smash", and has gotten over his anger issues as seen in wolfheart. And unlike garrosh, varian doesn't want to rule the world, he just wants to disband the horde because he sees them as a threat to his people, not because he wants to wipe out every last orc in existance, and rule the world.Um...no Sold; Varian hates all of the orcs for what happened to Stormwind: He made that clear with the way he wanted to attack Thrall, who did nothing to him, and sure you can 'disband' the Horde...but then what? Stick all Orcs back into the hell that was the internment camps? Send them back through the Dark Portal, to a dying land? And what about the Trolls and Tauren who haven't done anything to Varian; why should they suddenly suffer as they lose protection? It's the same thing, as taking away the Orcs would suddenly make the other races a lot weaker, and leave it open for the other enemies to wipe them out.
Gee, come to think of it, I can't recall a single instance where varian has ever kidnapped children, desired to take over the world, or has ever attacked a neutral nation. I also recall he was one of the alliance rulers who opted to keep the orcs alive after the second war instead of killing them all, and has been willing to make peace with the horde on more than one occasion, unlike garrosh, who has always desired to crushing the alliance, because in his mind, if he and his people want something, they should take it, regardless of the circumstances. Gee, I just realized that every thing varian has been hated on for has been things he has said, not anything he has ever actually done. In fact, every last one of those things he has said that has attracted so much hate towards him has been a negative comment towards the horde in some way, shape or form. Also, 90% of his haters are horde players, and 10% are uneducated alliance players who simply saw his speech in battle of the undercity event during wrath and though he was being mean.And then you have the rabid fans such as yourself who refuse to learn the lore....so yeah, you are just as bad, if not worse then the Horde haters.
I'd rather have an intelligent, born and raised person who is evil because that's who they are, not because they are the pure manifestation of evil, though that can be good too, I just prefer the former.I'd honestly hate that to the extreme; that is a pathetic villain type and has always been; at least show us why the person became evil, or have a real reason beyond 'okay I'm evil now derp, fear me!'.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
No one has said the Sha are going to be mindless; something like that, a living version of negative emotions, could be out there trying to influence the rest of the world to make the dark choices to allow itself to continue to grow and thrive.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
I'm hoping they aren't directly Old God related, since there are already going to be the Mantids on Pandaria, and those things are obviously off-shots of the Aqir Empire, which we've seen the main two parts of so far who have had Old God backing already: Silithids/Quarji and Nerubians, since C'thun created them.
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Morec0
I'm hoping they aren't directly Old God related, since there are already going to be the Mantids on Pandaria, and those things are obviously off-shots of the Aqir Empire, which we've seen the main two parts of so far who have had Old God backing already: Silithids/Quarji and Nerubians, since C'thun created them.
Most likely they're old god related, if only due to the striking resemblance they bear to the paintings in yogg-sarons lair in ulduar. I still find it odd that these sha only form on pandaria, and nowhere else. People have negative emotions all over the world, so why only pandaria? There may perhaps be an old god beneath pandaria, and feeds on negative energy, creating sha from this energy.
Perhaps it's because of Pandaria's isolation? They're intelligent enough to realize spawning anywhere else would have gotten raid groups coming after them.
Alternitively it could be a Yin-Yang deal. They're beings of Yang (violence and whatnot, if I remmeber the Yin-Yang principle propperly) so, logically, they can only fully manifest where there is an equal and opposite Yin force; that Yin being the tranquil Pandarian inhabitants.
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Adamsm
I'm hoping they aren't directly Old God related, since there are already going to be the Mantids on Pandaria, and those things are obviously off-shots of the Aqir Empire, which we've seen the main two parts of so far who have had Old God backing already: Silithids/Quarji and Nerubians, since C'thun created them.
Most likely they're old god related, if only due to the striking resemblance they bear to the paintings in yogg-sarons lair in ulduar. I still find it odd that these sha only form on pandaria, and nowhere else. People have negative emotions all over the world, so why only pandaria? There may perhaps be an old god beneath pandaria, and feeds on negative energy, creating sha from this energy.
Yet, that's the only place you see that image: It's not anywhere else in Azeroth, so entirely possible they don't have a connection to the Old Gods, and are something else; sorta of like how the natural races of Azeroth appeared: Trolls, Taurens, Furbolgs, Dragons, whatever the Aqir started out as, and the Demi-Gods and their descendants. For all we know the Sha a naturally evolving portion of the Shadow that's only now being found since it's coming from land that wasn't ruined 10 thousand years ago by the Well of Eternity shattering and tearing the main continent apart. I also don't think there's going to be an Old God under Pandaria, just because of the way the others have been implied to be imprisoned on the primary continent at the time.
Alternitively it could be a Yin-Yang deal. They're beings of Yang (violence and whatnot, if I remmeber the Yin-Yang principle propperly) so, logically, they can only fully manifest where there is an equal and opposite Yin force; that Yin being the tranquil Pandarian inhabitants.
Possible as well: We may even seen the eventual rise of an opposite version of the Sha built from the goodness of the World...since you know, the Pandaren's left the original Kalimdor, traveled to the continent, conquerored it, sealed the Mantids behind a wall and over threw the Mogu race that was there naturally heh. Hell, they may have been responsible for the original creation of the Sha back then and had to seal them away before they destroyed everything.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Except for the fact that Pandaren's over threw the Mogu......
Post by
Morec0
Except for the fact that Pandaren's over threw the Mogu......
War x Post-War Resentment + Pandarian Yin-Yang Theorum = Sha being spawned.
The entirety of the sudden (and I'm assuming it was sudden) face-heel-turn of Pandarian culture from war to tranquil nature could have knocked some funky juju out of wack. That juju would, in turn, have brought the Sha into existance. No Old Gods involved in their creation!
All in all, though, I think it's pretty obvious the Old Gods will be involved.
Also, this just crossed my mind: the Sha
have
been everywhere. Every War dating back to the Mural in Ulduar, they have been present and feeding. They only now, in this massive and far-more violent and destructive Azerothian War, have found the fuel needed for them to have the power to manifest themselves. And where better to do that than the newest prime feeding grounds? The War-torn Pandaria!
Post by
Adamsm
Actually, I'm betting the Sha started turning up on Pandaria when the Pandaren's first arrived and staged a continent wide war to claim the lands for themselves; once the Mogu and the Mantids were dealt with, they may have started to see the negative beasts and that's when they started the new train of thought to actively deal with the Darkness and drive it back.
There may also be something about Pandaria itself that kept the Sha from leaking out; we'll have to see what happens to Azeroth, if any of the new Monk quests in the non-Pandaren starting zones will have references to them or not; would make sense since the Monk seems to be the way to deal with that type of negative energy.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
And...there's the retcon: Originally the Pandaren's were on Kalimdor before the Sundering, and due to the Night Elf messing with magic, withdrew from the continent and went west into the sea as they didn't want to stick around with the power mad Elves.
Edit: Though, with this:During the bleak days that preceded the sundering of the world, when demons flooded onto Azeroth and threw the entirety of the mortal realm into jeopardy, the last Emperor of the pandaren discovered a way to protect his land from the devastation. His deal with fate shrouded his land within an impenetrable mist for ten thousand years, but the nature of his transaction has left Pandaria haunted ever since..Think we just figured out where the Sha came from.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Hmm, I prefer this retcon to the old lore.I don't; the original lore made more sense.
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