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588688
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Rankkor
Edit: Dunno what to say about the Yak mount. Didn't liked the ram mount of the dwarves, so its possible I wont like this one either.
Heh, don't you want to run down people on the back of a yak, screaming this
song
at the top of your lungs?
its gonna be pretty hard for blizz to replace my Mechano-hog mount.
Its a frikking bike bro' :P can't get more awesomer than that.
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Adamsm
Heh, I know; built one on my most recent DK, then gave up Engineering like I told you. But I'm looking forward to a smelly yak mount....so many good jokes to use for marcos to summon the thing. And I don't know, the Heart of the Aspect is actually an interesting mount when it's on the land; has a weird serpentine movement to it, and it does a complete circle when you jump in non-flight areas.
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635092
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Adamsm
Yaks may plod along, but like all big bovine animals, when they get moving, they are really destructive heh.
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Rankkor
God how I hate this thing
The Last Relic of Argus
and here is why:
http://sarakleeyo.webcomic.ws/comics/67/
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Adamsm
Well, that settles that then. Garrosh started the war.No, Varian declared War at the Battle of the Undercity.
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588688
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Adamsm
Sold, the war we are now started in Wrath; Varian declared it, the Broken Front moved it, there was a momentary truce apparently and Cata caused it to explode/be broken due to outside forces; those are facts. Warsong and Night Elves have been warring in Ashenvale for years over the lumber/ores/etc etc; we saw that in Vanilla after all and for a long time Jaina and Thrall were trying to work out some type of trade then he had to leave and Garrosh had more of his forces heading out to try to claim the lands since everything just went to $%^&.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk
Well, at least we know that the aspects still have their power, just in a weaker crappy form. But wait, the bronze dragons can time travel but they don't have any control of time now? The sense, it does not make any.
They can't change Time Lines anymore.....I mean hell man, you just linked this:
Q:
In the end of Cataclysm, the Dragon Aspects became mortals. But are they still powerful dragons that just lost the blessings of Titans?
A:
Yes. For example, the bronze dragons still can travel between time, but they no longer have control over timelines. And the blue dragons are still powerful mages, but they lost much power in guarding the arcane magic of Azeroth. In the Age of Mortals, the whole flights need to contribute more to what was once the charge of the Aspects."
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I don't recall varian making an official war declaration at undercity, I'm positive that the war started in cataclysm.Nope:# "Look around you, brothers and sisters. Open your eyes! Look at what they have done to our kingdom! How much longer will we allow these savages free reign in our world?"
# "I was away for too long. My absence cost us the lives of some of our greatest heroes. Trash like you and that evil witch were allowed to roam free, unchecked. The time has come to make things right. To disband your treacherous kingdom of murderers and thieves. Putress was the first strike. Many more will come. Those quotes are during the run through the Undercity.
Also in wolfheart, if alliance did start the war, why were they surprised that the horde were attacking ashenvale? They didn't even discuss the horde during their initial banquet and meeting with all the racial representatives. If the war was already going on, the whole attack on ashenvale wouldn't have been a surprise, and they wouldn't have even needed the backup because they would've already been fully prepared for such an invasion. Instead, it was a massive surprise to them. Garrosh used this to his advantage in order to try and take ashenvale.The surprise was the sudden massive force the Horde sent in to assault, upping the attacks from the standard Horde forces in Ashenvale, and the attempts to take Mystera's Post. There's also the comment about the Truce in the Shattering, which occurs before Wolfheart, as well as the attacks from the Twilight Hammer to sow dissent among the groups, which leads to the conflicts between Thrall and Varian about turning in the murderers while Jaina plays the middle person. And they didn't discuss the War yet, since the Gilneans were not yet part of the Alliance and they had to deal with that first.
But let's not sugercoat anything here, blizzard has clearly given up on garrosh and has now decided to smack him with the villain bat. And honestly, was this really a surprise? Garrosh has made it clear in cataclysm that he wants to rule the world under the horde banner, and varian, as far as we've seen, doesn't want to rule the world, and we have what dave kosak said about garrosh in that controversial water cooler blog.
I guess blizzard just gave up on garrosh.Bull to the #$%^ simple as that; Garrosh is not going to be a villain.
Oh, and about the bronze dragonflight, I meant it's odd that they say the bronze have no control over time now, but they can still time travel, which, is technically a form of controlling time. Kind of, but nevermind.No it's actually not; look at all the comics/stories/games about people who randomly jump through time without any control; the only difference is the Bronzes can choose to go back(such as putting back the Dragon's Soul in the new Well timeline) but they can't actively change it anymore(so if it had happened before the War of the Ancients new time line, Rhonin, Krasus and Brox would never have played a part).
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Okay, one, that's not a declaration of war, two, if the alliance were already at war with the horde, they would've at least mentioned it in their meeting, because it would've been relevant.
Sold: The Shattering comes before Wolfheart......
They Are At War
due to the truce being broken and the Twilight Hammer's machinations in the book. And yes Sold, it is a declaration of war, since that's the reason the Broken Front happens; the Horde commander strikes first then the Alliance one retaliates in Icecrown: Didn't you ever wonder why the Hammer and Breaker were always firing on each other in the sky? And one more thing!: Varian's words during the Ulduar trailer shows that he's not willing to work for peace at that point and thinks the world can go to hell rather then stopping the war that is revving up at that point."At the Wrathgate, the Horde's partnership killed more of our men than the Scourge. I'm done with your Horde. May this death god take you all."
the Cdev said that garrosh wanted to wipe out the night elves and take over ashenvale in his effort to take over kalimdor, and the humans of theramore we're like "nuh uh girlfriend" and went to aid the night elves, this blatantly says "garrosh started it". And we know that the attack on ashenvale happened AFTER the night elves saved the gilneans from the horde and brought them to teldrassil.Incorrect again, since the Night Elf forces in Wolfheart are wondering where the Horde ones are at certain points, since they are used to the raids that come at them. And no that's just your feelings for Garrosh leaking through, since you think he's 'an evil bastard'.
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Rankkor
Okay, one, that's not a declaration of war, two, if the alliance were already at war with the horde, they would've at least mentioned it in their meeting, because it would've been relevant.
dude we've been over this before:
Alliance was the one who made the first strike, first with Varian attacking the god-damned WARCHIEF on the undercity, and then, with them mobilizing troops to Honor's Point BEFORE the shattering.
Then there's them moving troops to durotan DESPITE the non-agression treaty signed at the end of WOTLK.
you really REALLY love to read between the lines to have a justification to make the horde the bad guys.
Q:
The Alliance army who invaded the Barrens wore the tabard of Theramore. Were they under Jaina Proudmoore's command?
And their invasion happened way before the time of the incoming destruction of Theramore incident
, so what's the reason behind their attack on Orgrimmar's territory? It seems the Alliance and the Horde were already in total war in Cataclysm.
A:
Because Garrosh wants to defeat the night elves and conquer the whole of Kalimdor under the banner of the Horde. So the humans of Theramore
sent their army
and tried to establish a military line between the night elf territory and Theramore.
But it seems the result is not what they expected
.
Highlighted the parts you conveniently chose to ignore. Ya know, the part where THEY SENT THEIR ARMY FIRST. That the end results (horde smacking their asses to kingdom come) weren't exactly part of the plan was another thing.
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and in wrath there was still no official declaration of war, varian obviously wanted to go to war with them, but he never officially started it.
Y dale compadre :S
Dude if u're gonna start ignoring the facts shown to you, then there's no point to having this discussion. Its already been thoroughly established that the attack on Honor Point (the main horde base in the border with stonetalon and barrens) happened BEFORE the shattering, which is also before wolfheart, and before gilneas.
Its already been established that their invasion of BLOODY DUROTAR happened while the non-agression treaty was still in place.
They shot first. And the devs just confirmed it. They sent their army first, and they just weren't expecting the results they got when they messed with the bull (read: they got the horns)
I have no more sympathy for garrosh than you do, but nothing so far indicates that he's either gonna be a villain, much less that he's gonna be killed. Not even sylvannas is going in that direction (yet)
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Rankkor
and for the record now that I'm actually reading the thread you linked, its quite possible that whoever translated that did a shoddy job at it.
Notice how it says garrosh wanna "eradicate" the nigth elves. Eradicate means full-on extermination, every last one of them, down to the last man woman and child. If that was true, why-o-why would garrosh be royally PISSED OFF about Krom'gar and his attack on stonetalon? humm?
seems to me that whoever translated that to english needs a few more lessons of mandarin
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