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Adamsm
Or......the Celebrants are just made of all races, same as many other things, and they threw in some Worgens.
And I'm still betting on the Curse not being a blood line thing since it's done through magic; look at the Orcs, the fel taint is starting to fade from their skin colour after all these years.
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Adamsm
.......What? Since the Pack form was a corrupted creation, forged by an insane druid and using the power of Elune as it shouldn't be, I'd say it's just like the Fel corruption that caused the orcs skin to change into green from brown.
You are also leaving out the fact that the original Curse could be spread to all races, and anyone who was bitten was transformed into a mindless creature. The new Gilnean ones different after all; and most of the time, in werewolf literature, unless it's a violent curse, it's rarely passed down through the blood line.
I doubt that Gilnean children are going to be born as Worgens, and if they want to be like mummy and daddy, they'll have to get bitten.
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Adamsm
It's still magic; I doubt that a child born to Worgen couples will come out furry. The Worgen race could possibly keep going through biting others, since, it's still a magical Curse, and that one would make a lot more sense.
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Adamsm
I doubt it's in the DNA....because of the fact that as seen in the War of the Satyrs, the Curse can affect anyone the Worgen bites, and I really doubt that the Night Elves are anywhere close to having the same structure as Humans.
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Skreeran
I doubt it's in the DNA....because of the fact that as seen in the War of the Satyrs, the Curse can affect anyone the Worgen bites, and I really doubt that the Night Elves are anywhere close to having the same structure as Humans.Not taking sides, but I would point out that they're close enough to interbreed, which is pretty close, considering we can't breed with our closest relatives, the chimpanzees.
Honestly, I'm not even certain Warcraft
has
DNA, considering Mr. Gene-soup, Med'an (whose ancestors would have originated from
three
different worlds).
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Adamsm
Heh, I know, but it's the way the Curse affects anyone that is bitten that really makes me think that any children of Worgen would just be whatever the base race was rather then becoming part of the new one.
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Post by
Morec0
Perhaps the children would not be able to be born at all?
I'm taking a page from another persons work here (
Being Human
, to be precise), but if the worgen child was forced through a transformation during any of the early pregnancy stages it might lead to a miscarriage. Of course, that would have to rely on the worgen side of the curse being able to take control at that specific point, but if the full moon has any effect on them at all (which I like to think it does) it might effect the child (somehow) and lead to the above condition.
Alternitively (and I'm sure Adams has presented this already) the worgen nature could lie dormant in the child untill puberty, at which point the massive rushes of hormones and whatnot surging through the young adult trigger it.
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Morec0
I doubt it's in the DNA....because of the fact that as seen in the War of the Satyrs, the Curse can affect anyone the Worgen bites, and I really doubt that the Night Elves are anywhere close to having the same structure as Humans.
Doesn't really matter, if it's in their blood, which it is, it's affected their DNA structure. That pretty much proves it's hereditary. Besides, why add a race if it only has one generation? Not very useful to their faction if they cant even make more of themselves without infecting humans and night elves, who they are allied with, which wont be tolerated. And it's only been shown to affect night elves and humans. And they have their own worgen culture now as seen in wolfheart, why give them their own unique pack society if they're just gonna go back to being humans after one generation? Because I'm sure that if their children are human, they wont follow their pack society since they wont have the animal instincts to cause them to behave that way.
There really is only proof that the curse is hereditary, and there isn't any reason why can't have worgen children. I mean when they die they stay worgen, if it was just magical they'd go "poof" back into their human forms upon death like druids. But ya like I said, it's in their blood, that alone proves it's in their DNA.
I'd much rather they be a race and not humans who can go wolf-hulk.
Perhaps the children would not be able to be born at all?
I'm taking a page from another persons work here (Being Human, to be precise), but if the worgen child was forced through a transformation during any of the early pregnancy stages it might lead to a miscarriage. Of course, that would have to rely on the worgen side of the curse being able to take control at that specific point, but if the full moon has any effect on them at all (which I like to think it does) it might effect the child (somehow) and lead to the above condition.
Alternitively (and I'm sure Adams has presented this already) the worgen nature could lie dormant in the child untill puberty, at which point the massive rushes of hormones and whatnot surging through the young adult trigger it.
Eh, full moons and moons in general have never been shown to have any relation to worgen whatsoever, so I don't think so. And during pregnancy the mother may just be locked in worgen form until birth. But as for the curse activating upon puberty, that makes sense, but since it clearly has altered them into another race entirely, I doubt it. I'm positive they'd just pop out worgen from the get go.
Sold does have a point: even the new Gilnean children are human. Of course, this could be because they simply weren't infected with the curse or are too young to have matured into it.
As for the full moon, yes there is no concrete proof that it has an effect on them, but I'm still not convinced it dosn't. Look at the worgen cinematic: the moon in the part that sums up the worgen takeover of Gilneas City is full. While that could just be a conincidence, I like to think that it may have had some effect on the worgen - riling them up or something.
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Adamsm
Or, again, the Worgen are meant to be a one generational group, the elite defenders of the Gilnean nation: If you want to join their ranks, you'd have to drink the blood to do so and continue on as a defender.
Yes, they call them the Worgen race, but at this point that means one of three things:
1. Worgens from the time of the Satyr Wars, who were the ones locked away in the Dream.
2. Arugal's Worgens, who are magically altered versions of the sealed Worgens and then the further transformations from the Wulfcult.
3. Gilnean Worgen, who undergo a ritual to purge the corruption of the original Worgens from within themselves.
But, as the last is still part of a Curse, it's entirely possible that the Curse cannot be passed along without drinking the blood of a Worgen, so children could be born as human Gilneans without any real issues. All that would mean is the new Gilnean society would still be closer to the land, and those born to Druid Worgen parents, would probably end up as Harvest Witches.
Post by
Rankkor
Besides, why add a race if it only has one generation? Not very useful to their faction if they cant even make more of themselves without infecting humans and night elves, who they are allied with, which wont be tolerated.
you could ask the same question for the forsakens.........
I'm with adamsm on this one, its doubtful that the worgen curse is tied to DNA.
because there's no way in hell their human and night elf allies are going to allow them to assimilate them
Ejem
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Adamsm
Since the curse is sperading through blood that would in fact affect a fetus in te womb of a female worgen and this make the offspring bear the curse as well.Maybe not, since a person has to make the choice to take the Blood after all.
Edit: Also, that would mean the baby is born as a feral worgen, which in turn could possibly mean once it's big enough, it might try to tear it's way out of mommy's belly.
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