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Post by
Rankkor
if Blizzard wanted to kill off characters, they should have just had a group of faceless throw away ones in there, rather then characters I liked lol.
agreed, the way they died felt quite cheap, but I'm still not convinced on their importance, other than torunscar, the other ones who died were fairly minor members
They also didn't say anything when they died, so it was hard to notice. I didn't realize when the dwarf shaman died until I did a second run through of the instance. They just get randomly grabbed by a tentacle and thrown to their deaths, while you run towards wyrmrest temple most likely not even looking back to see them killed.
its worst than that.
They don't say anything when they aproach, nor do they say anything during the fights, nor do they say anything when they die. They are completely mute during the whole instance.
This has the effect of:
A: Being a tank, you have to pay attention to those red bars, making sure they are all hitting you and not the group, thus you tend to miss out the 4 quiet NPCs that are standing there.
B: Being a healer you have to pay attention to those green bars, making sure they are all full, thus you tend to miss out even more the 4 quite NPC's that are standing there.
C: Being a DPS, you have to pay attention to dat damage meter, making sure its as high as possible, thus you need to be on the look out for the red bars, and start attacking so the meter is as high as possible.
as players we tend to ignore things in the heat of battle, and unless they speak, or do anything noticeable, we will never even realize they are there.
Kinda like
this
as that video shows us, its easy to miss something you are not looking for.
a better place to put those NPCs to die would had been in a moment were we are not in battle, or if they HAVE to be in battle, then at least have them say something so we know they are there.
Post by
Rankkor
Its the end of the world of warcraft
SWEET MOTHER OF MERCY, how the F*bleep*K did I missed this back when the shattering was brand new? this video is pure F*bleep*KING genius!
GENIUS I SAY!
Edit: Don't be fooled for the first minute of the video, the rest of it is pure genius.
Post by
Orranis
Its the end of the world of warcraft
SWEET MOTHER OF MERCY, how the F*bleep*K did I missed this back when the shattering was brand new? this video is pure F*bleep*KING genius!
GENIUS I SAY!
Edit: Don't be fooled for the first minute of the video, the rest of it is pure genius.
What do you mean by the first minute? First minute is great! Except for the Chuck Norris.
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Post by
Morec0
Chuck Norris is in the upcoming Expendables Two.
*meltdown*
As is Ahnold.
Its the end of the world of warcraft
SWEET MOTHER OF MERCY, how the F*bleep*K did I missed this back when the shattering was brand new? this video is pure F*bleep*KING genius!
GENIUS I SAY!
Edit: Don't be fooled for the first minute of the video, the rest of it is pure genius.
What do you mean by the first minute? First minute is great! Except for the Chuck Norris.
It is a fine Machinima, and I have no idea how you missed that for THIS long.
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Rankkor
well, finished "Beyond the Dark Portal" and here's my impressions of it:
1:) it was awesome, golden should team up with Aaron more often, they make a great team.
2:) Being a jerk and an assh0le must be in the Windrunner blood, my goodness :S Alleria is a JERKASS, just as much as (if not more so) than her 2 sisters. Is there ANYONE in the windrunner family that is actually nice? I can't possibly understand what Turalyon sees in her. At the very least Vereesa is a Tsundere, with the nasty moments and the nice ones, but Alleria? /shudders.
3: Kadghar was AWESOME, he had a duel with Deathwing himself and WON.
4:) this book inflated much of my respect for Grom. Why is it that the hellscream family can't behave in the game the way the do in the books? on Beyond the Dark Portal, and Lord of the Clans, Grom is a great character. In war3 he was little more than a Leeroy Jenkins.......
and now here's a bunch of questions I got that never got clarified on the book.
A: what happened to Lord Perenolde? last we saw he bribed Gorefiend and D-wing into killing the troops placed to keep his kingdom in check, but his kingdom still existed. What happened between beyond the dark portal and wow that made Alterac a ruin? Was it just the scourge? did Perenolde never got the due punishment he deserved for his actions?
B: Why did d-wing wanted to go to outland? did he just wanted to seek a safe haven for his eggs? or was it something else?
C: Who set this whole thing in motion? I mean, Ner'zul was in emo mode on shadowmoon valley, and he didn't kicked off the plot of the book until Teron spurned him into motion. What was Gorefiend's motivation? was he acting on behalf of someone else? did he had a hidden agenda? doesn't make much sense that he'd put everything in motion but gained nothing at the end.
D: While we're still with gorefiend, Turalyon disintegrated his body at the end of their duel, there was nothing but a pile of ash in the end, so how is it that he still has a body again on wow?
Post by
Morec0
3: Kadghar was AWESOME, he had a duel with Deathwing himself and WON.
And manages to do it without being a Mary Sue about it - at least as I see it.
4:) this book inflated much of my respect for Grom. Why is it that the hellscream family can't behave in the game the way the do in the books? on Beyond the Dark Portal, and Lord of the Clans, Grom is a great character. In war3 he was little more than a Leeroy Jenkins.......
Welll, back in WC3 he was still a fairly new character, and his main purpose was to be the exact oposite of Thrall's character; providing a
demon
stration of what the curse did to the orc compared to what they once were (Thrall being closest to what they once were) and provide tension and conflict admist the orcs up untill his epic moment of heroic badass in the final cinamatic.
Up untill then his character could only be seen from his WC2 expansion quotes (as far as I know, I, sadly, never was able to play the Beyond the Dark Portal expansion).
As you can tell from these
(skip to about 1:50), he clearly is hopped up demon blood and is mad with rage because of it (and we know that because of the information given), but at the time orcs were still fairly evil creatures and his quotes really just sealed that as making him appear axe-crazy.
The change in character from Wc2 to 3 was mostly likely done to make his actions seem more natural for that character. Blood-thirsty-crazy singer Grom would be less likely to make that heroic sacrifice or take orders from Thrall than recovering-but-still-hoped-up-on-demon-juice Grom. The Leeroy Jenkin's attidude is less Leeroy Jenkins and more of a holdover from how he originally acted.
A: what happened to Lord Perenolde? last we saw he bribed Gorefiend and D-wing into killing the troops placed to keep his kingdom in check, but his kingdom still existed. What happened between beyond the dark portal and wow that made Alterac a ruin? Was it just the scourge? did Perenolde never got the due punishment he deserved for his actions?
It may have been a combination,
duringThe Revelation
the conversation takes place in the Alterac Mountains, along with the following battle between the orcs and Scourge. Between these two conflicts the people of Alterac would have been all slaughtered, the humans currently there likely stemming from whatever citizens managed to escape during the First undead level of The Frozen Throne.
Of course, after the Alliance troops were massacered by D-wing and Gorefiend, it is completely possible that he was either executed for treason or simply had his nation completely dismantled. I doubt that the leaders of the Alliance took kindly to the slaughter.
B: Why did d-wing wanted to go to outland? did he just wanted to seek a safe haven for his eggs? or was it something else?
Definately safe haven for his eggs, I thought that was pretty clear. In Azeroth he and his flight are pretty much on every other dragon's hit list. Outland would be the one place that he and his flight would be safe (one place they could reach, anyway).
C: Who set this whole thing in motion? I mean, Ner'zul was in emo mode on shadowmoon valley, and he didn't kicked off the plot of the book until Teron spurned him into motion. What was Gorefiend's motivation? was he acting on behalf of someone else? did he had a hidden agenda? doesn't make much sense that he'd put everything in motion but gained nothing at the end.
I think we're getting out of questions and into speculation here. To get to another world. Teron was undead, so he could have existed forever in Outland with no problems, but he was still an orc. An orc hungry for conquest and power, at that. He likely wanted what was mentioned in the book; a world of his own, the chance to invade countless others.
D: While we're still with gorefiend, Turalyon disintegrated his body at the end of their duel, there was nothing but a pile of ash in the end, so how is it that he still has a body again on wow?
That may not be his original body. He did possess the player for a little while, so its clear that he could easily move into another form whenver he wished. His riders may have placed one there in the hopes he would return through it, or it could just have been the body of some hapless traveler or long-dead Alliance soldier that was conviently nearby.
Post by
Adamsm
A: what happened to Lord Perenolde? last we saw he bribed Gorefiend and D-wing into killing the troops placed to keep his kingdom in check, but his kingdom still existed. What happened between beyond the dark portal and wow that made Alterac a ruin? Was it just the scourge? did Perenolde never got the due punishment he deserved for his actions?He was executed, and his family exiled; if they ever get around to having the Pernolde blood reclaim the land, there will probably end up being a civil war between the cousin from Day of the Dragon and the last daughter of the family line.
B: Why did d-wing wanted to go to outland? did he just wanted to seek a safe haven for his eggs? or was it something else?He also wanted Draenor for himself.
C: Who set this whole thing in motion? I mean, Ner'zul was in emo mode on shadowmoon valley, and he didn't kicked off the plot of the book until Teron spurned him into motion. What was Gorefiend's motivation? was he acting on behalf of someone else? did he had a hidden agenda? doesn't make much sense that he'd put everything in motion but gained nothing at the end.All of the first Gen Death Knights wanted their own world; supposedly there could still be a group of them out there, as not all of them went through the same gate as Ner'zhul and ended up as the first gen of Liches.
D: While we're still with gorefiend, Turalyon disintegrated his body at the end of their duel, there was nothing but a pile of ash in the end, so how is it that he still has a body again on wow?Body destroyed, but not the Truncheon, which held his actual spirit; that's more then likely what let him live on as a ghost and let him get a new body from the remains of himself.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Nope, war is always going to be part of Azeroth; has been since the beginning when the Trolls rose up, and will go on long into the future.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Since the war is being portrayed as "destroying the world" in MOP, then no, it can't lastSure it can: Troll's have been at war since the beginning of time, human nations were bound into one by a massive tribal war, and all the rest. And other then the Sha being stirred up by the war, it hasn't been said anywhere in official work that it's going to be the end of the world.
"Garrosh Hellscream has a vision for the Horde, a vision of a united Kalimdor that can only be realized over the ashes of the Alliance. He’s craftier than any of his foes realize, and his grim determination to win at all costs -- even at the expense of his own people -- is plunging the world into chaos."
He will die as a bad guy. And thrall, of course, won't let the war continue. And I'm sure thrall will have something to do with garrosh's removal from the horde, and death. Which would no doubt allow the alliance to accept peace with thrall's horde.I doubt that a lot, since they'll have to kill off Varian at the same time.
But either way, if they continue this war beyond mists of pandaria, which is when the world ending threats will pop up again, then the two sides will be officially pants-on-head retarded, so dumb that it wouldn't even be believable. And besides, war doesn't have to be between the alliance and horde, war is a faction fighting another faction, which can be the scourge, the twilight cult, etc. Or hell, even the troggs. There's plenty of war in warcraft, even without the alliance vs horde war.Trolls, humans and elves have warred with each other since the beginning of time; they put aside the war for a few moments to fight a larger threat, then go right back to it...hell, the Trolls didn't even work with the Night Elves during War of the Ancients after all.
I just, as a pvper who primarily does battlegrounds for fun, that it won't be the end of bgs. I assume that they can just make it so that bgs are just you reliving your past battles with the enemy faction.
Or...it's still skirmishes among the groups.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
The issue is you can't have Varian without Garrosh; as long as one is around, you need the other. I don't see Garrosh dying for a very long time, same as Varian: I also don't see Garrosh ever going evil, same as I said before Cata came out.
People need to stop calling for it, cause it's an idiotic idea.
That's why I've said the fourth war is the villain of MOP, and just like the other threats to azeroth, it'll be put a stop to as well.The Fourth War has been going since the Wrathgate, you do realize that right?
Warcraft will always be a primarily black and white story (when not dealing with alliance vs horde), and as such, anything that threatens to destroy azeroth, will be put a stop to. I don't see this war being any different.War is never black and white though; this will be a gray area forever in the history of Azeroth.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
That wasn't war, that was defense against something that was going to kill the world. There is a difference.
Anyway, we can't know the fate of this war until the end of MOP, so we can't be sure of anything just yet.So why start claiming things about it then?
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588688
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Adamsm
Maybe you and other alliance fans can't have Varian without Garrosh but that's only due to the fact that you'd have to admit that Varian is just a criminally insane, racist warmonger; the likes of which haven't been seen since Cheney left office. YOU need Garrosh so Varian won't be seen as the bad guy.Wrong: They are two halves of the same coin, and having one without the other will just make things wonky.
If you're counting that as the fourth war, then the people groups who started it have been defeated and the war is over; we're on the Fifth war started by Varian.Incorrect, since Varian declared war after the *!@# he saw in the Undercity, but hey, thanks for playing.
Adamsm doesn't like it when other people speculate.And you enjoy picking fights/trolling/insulting other people. I have no issue with speculation, but not when we don't have any actual background or lore to go with it.
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