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Monday
Tirion was seen far more often, pushing the plot by himself more than Thrall ever did.
if nobody had a problem with these (alliance) heroes saving the day why with thrall?
Nuh uh.
Post by
Adamsm
and before him there was Turalyon and Lothar.Difference is, those two were never in the MMO world, so unless you read Tides of Darkness/Beyond the Dark Portal, or played Warcraft 2(where they were not given the same focus as Thrall is now), you don't know who they were, beyond the fact that the first died at Blackrock and his death created the death knell for the old Horde.
Case in point: from what metzen said, on Mists, Varian will be the next Thrall. And I'm almost willing to bet 50$ that unlike Thrall, nobody will mind that he saves the world.And we'll see what happens there: If Varian's character is completely screwed up like Thrall's is now, then damn right you'll see me complaining.
Post by
Rankkor
but there wasn't a new book with Super Tirion as the main character every couple of months.
that makes no sense, there hasn't been a new book with super-thrall as the main character every couple of months either.
The Shattering wasn't focused on Thrall, nor did they hailed him as THE ONE who could save the world. Hell, that book was more about anduin and baine as well as the political situation on Thunderbluff/Ironforge than it was about thrall.
If you count the chapters focused on Thrall, vs the Chapters focused on Anduin/Baine you will notice that they get more focus (as did Cairne/garrosh and Magni/Moira)
So the Shattering doesn't count as a "super-thrall booK" and while yes, thrall got his "Super-thrall book" on Twilight of the aspects, so did Malfurion, Rhonin, Varian, and a rather large ect.
if you didn't had a problem with them, why with Thrall? Because his book also coincided with the expansion?
And yes Rank, the stuff with Tirion, I barely noticed it or only saw it confined to specific zones
the same can be said about Thrall, is not like he shows up 9 times on each zone.
he shows up in the goblin zone, and 1 chain on hyjal, and a barely noticeable presence on the maelstrom.
Does he shows up in 1 raid? yes, but tirion showed up in 2 (and in the second one he took all credit for our hard work, whereas Thrall was 1 of many on Dragon Soul)
So, the "Hail Thrall the hero" thingie, was also confined to a specific zone, or to be more accurate: a specific quest-chain, because in the goblin starting zone, Thrall isn't painted up as the hero of the world, he's just another horde member trying to survive an alliance assassination attempt.
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Adamsm
Rank, there was the Shattering which was the start of his ascension to it, then Twilight of the Aspects cementing him as such, then Charge of the Aspects where it's more or less said 'Hey look, Thrall is the only hero of Azeroth, so only he can do all of this!'.
so did Malfurion, Rhonin, Varian, and a rather large ect.
if you didn't had a problem with them, why with Thrall? Because his book also coincided with the expansion?Yes actually; because it's rubbed in our faces all through the Expansion that Thrall is the great Hero of Azeroth, and screw all of those other guys who aren't Thrall. Wolfheart, which is the Alliance book, happens right after the Shattering, but before the start of Cata.....and there is no continuation like there was for Twilight of the Aspects. Rhonin hasn't done squat since WotA, as even the manga Mage only has a passing mention of him. Mal got Stormrage....which took place after the fall of the Lich King, and other then a passing mention in the Shattering, nothing in game really calls back to the Nightmare War.
Does he shows up in 1 raid? yes, but tirion showed up in 2 (and in the second one he took all credit for our hard work, whereas Thrall was 1 of many on Dragon Soul)
I don't count Trial as a Tirion raid, since all he does is announce and doesn't actually fight...if you were going to count that, might as well count it as a Jaina, Thrall, Garrosh and Varian raid too, since they do the same things. As for ICC; you only see Tirion at the very end...but that's not really the point I'm making here.
So, I know Thrall is one of your favorite characters Rank, and he used to be one of mine...but since this slap job of Cata in regards to him, he's dropped down quite a few pegs: I don't care what happens to Thrall anymore; if he was killed or just suddenly vanished, instead of worrying about it, I'd honestly go 'Thank god'; I'm burned out on him at this point and really can't wait for the next expansion to hopefully focus on other people.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Do different times call for different ethical standards? As in, does she has to change her stance on the Horde.
I'm also wondering if they're trying to piss off us alliance fans in this novel by making the horde commit some atrocity. AgainUm...what?
Post by
Mojoworkn
I would rather not have another female character go insane...
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588688
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Adamsm
It's called burning Theramore.
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588688
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Adamsm
And yet, there were 7th Legion soldiers fighting in Gilneas, and Theramore has been a part of them since the old days. Also, before you go waving the Gilneas card.....Dwarves and Draenei 'apparently' ignored it as well so, yeah.....
Also, since you know, Theramore has been one of the few neutral locations on Azeroth(as seen by the fact that she tried to get two peace summits held there and had them broken up by Onyxia and the Twilight Hammer), having it suddenly attack and burned to the ground is going to have an effect on the entire world....compared to an isolated country that decided in it's grand intelligence to withdraw from the world and watch as Lordaeron was utterly destroyed in the Third War....which could possibly mean that during that run for the coast, the Lordaeron survivors(which is a large number of the Theramore population) may have been at the wall begging to be let in before heading to the coast to escape across the sea.
Post by
SapientPearwood
Oh, I see.....so when it's her city getting destroyed, its bad enough to want war with the horde, but not when it's an entire bloody country (gilneas).......a NEUTRAL country......ya, that'd just make her a massive, selfish hypocrite.
Besides, the description (if it's to be trusted, I assume it is) speaks of an inconceivable horror that pushes her to her limits. I don't think that her city just getting razed to the ground is a "inconceivable horror", its very bad, but not an inconceivable horror unless the attackers did very horrific things to the populace.
I think I've lost you. What you're saying is that the fact that Theramore will be burned down (unprovoked most likely), Jaina's city, the one she build from the ground up, the one she sacrificed her own father for (also for peace of course), isn't a good enough reason to go to war with the Horde?
Or are you saying that the fact that she 'ignored' the plights of Gilneas and the atrocities of the Forsaken makes her a hypocrite? Because frankly, that's ridiculous.
The fact that Jaina has never called for war and has always advocated peace is the precisely why she will go to war with the Horde now. This Horde cannot be brokered with. Is must be broken. I seriously doubt miss Proudmoore will call for extermination. I believe she thinks this Horde must get a good beating before it realizes peace is the way to go.
Or are you just angry because you think the Horde will do something really, really horrible? I think burning a city down is bad enough. It's like Taurajo times 10.
Waaiiittt a minute! It might be retribution in Garrosh's eyes! Think about it. The troops that burned down Taurajo are Northwatch troops. Northwatch is a regiment of Theramore. Garrosh is a strong believer of 'an eye for an eye' methinks. Ergo, burn their city. It makes perfect sense! In Garrosh's mind...
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588688
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Adamsm
......Really? So you can see into the future, and know what the book is going to be about?
Edit: Since you know, that blurb you posted says nothing and is proud of it.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Then rather then worrying and getting yourself into a lather, just wait till we learn more about what happens in the pre-MoP patch and the book which is going to be released in July of next year.
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588688
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Adamsm
Yeah......when did you think the book was out?
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588688
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Adamsm
Well that may bode well for the eventual Northrend revamp
:
When you complete the quest, Reclaimer A'zak says this:
Just as I suspected.
Most of the empire has remained closed off since Krik'thir's final stand. Perhaps my people have already secured the depths and merely await release? Perhaps the faceless ones fester behind closed doors.
Only time will tell. The exposed upper reaches of Azjol-Nerub must first be cleansed of Arthas' taint.
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