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Rankkor
The War has been going on for 12 years at this point.
Exactly. The shapes of the Alliance and Horde have changed but the war still rages.
That's my point; no matter how many changes the factions undergo, the War will still be a massive portion because there are just too many who don't want to let go of the past.
dont be so sure about that bro', there have been ocations where both sides have been willing to let go of the past, and its on those times that outside forces have meddled to prevent peace from happening.
I've stated it plenty of times before that on an individual scale the alliance and horde CAN be friends (Take a look at anduin and baine, Thrall and jaina, Tirion and Eitrigg, Malfurion and Hamuul, ect ect) but on a global scale, all it takes is a couple of individuals in each side, plus a couple of individuals on neither side to spark conflicts again.
once these individuals are removed, peace CAN happen.
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Adamsm
dont be so sure about that bro', there have been ocations where both sides have been willing to let go of the past, and its on those times that outside forces have meddled to prevent peace from happening.
I've stated it plenty of times before that on an individual scale the alliance and horde CAN be friends (Take a look at anduin and baine, Thrall and jaina, Tirion and Eitrigg, Malfurion and Hamuul, ect ect) but on a global scale, all it takes is a couple of individuals in each side, plus a couple of individuals on neither side to spark conflicts again.
once these individuals are removed, peace CAN happen.
Considering what the actual war itself is creating in MoP I'd really say the opposite is happening: The Sha are forming out of the hatred and rage of Azeroth after all. And yes the individual scale works, but on the global, the opposite keeps happening as well: Humans see the Orcs as the final villains and vice versa, Worgen and Forsaken will never be friends, Elves against Trolls.....yeah.
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Rankkor
, the opposite keeps happening as well: Humans see the Orcs as the final villains and vice versa, Worgen and Forsaken will never be friends, Elves against Trolls.....yeah.
hey they dont have to be "friends" to get along.
I can see peace happening once outside forces stop meddling and a higher reason forces both sides to cool off (Such as the sha who could overwhelm all of azeroth if neither side takes a break, or the moment when all races join as the army of light to fight the legion)
once peace has been achieved azeroth is a pretty big place, forsaken and worgen dont really have to be near each other, nor do elves and trolls, or orcs and humans.............
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Adamsm
, the opposite keeps happening as well: Humans see the Orcs as the final villains and vice versa, Worgen and Forsaken will never be friends, Elves against Trolls.....yeah.
hey they dont have to be "friends" to get along.
I can see peace happening once outside forces stop meddling and a higher reason forces both sides to cool off (Such as the sha who could overwhelm all of azeroth if neither side takes a break, or the moment when all races join as the army of light to fight the legion)
once peace has been achieved azeroth is a pretty big place, forsaken and worgen dont really have to be near each other, nor do elves and trolls, or orcs and humans.............
That still probably won't work; we see that here in the real world after all.
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Rankkor
ya but the real world doesn't have a global enemy that is a threat to all life, nor do they have any equivalent of the sha either.
We simply can't know how the many MANY nations that hate each other's guts would react if a fleet of alien ships invaded earth and the only way to repel them is by putting differences aside and fight together....
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Adamsm
ya but the real world doesn't have a global enemy that is a threat to all life, nor do they have any equivalent of the sha either.
We simply can't know how the many MANY nations that hate each other's guts would react if a fleet of alien ships invaded earth and the only way to repel them is by putting differences aside and fight together....
And as soon as that threat is gone, betting it would be back to business as usual....as seen by our own world wars.....
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Rankkor
ya but the real world doesn't have a global enemy that is a threat to all life, nor do they have any equivalent of the sha either.
We simply can't know how the many MANY nations that hate each other's guts would react if a fleet of alien ships invaded earth and the only way to repel them is by putting differences aside and fight together....
And as soon as that threat is gone, betting it would be back to business as usual....as seen by our own world wars.....
I dont think that's the best example, seeing as in that war the threat was still other human beings, just like in other wars. If the threat was more foreign things would be different.
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Adamsm
If the threat was more foreign things would be different.And I really doubt it; have you ever read World War Z Rank? In it, they have India and Pakistan, and at one point, one side has to blow up a bridge to stop the Zeds from infesting an area....and the other side responds to it as if it's an act of war and launches nukes. I could easily see that happening if there was a massive global threat, as one group responds badly to another one for 'making a move' on their lands(IE any of the Middle Eastern Countries, China, possibly Vietnam).
Edit: Hell from the very same book: The infection possibly starts in China, but the government refuses for the most part to let the rest of the world know what is happening till it's too late; it goes global, and huge areas are infested and become kill zones.
Edit 2: Heck Rank, couldn't you see your own government pulling something like that?
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306612
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Rankkor
Edit 2: Heck Rank, couldn't you see your own government pulling something like that?
dammit you're right T_T
Post by
Adamsm
Why go outside the scope of the Warcraft fiction when you have a great example in the handling of Alterac post-second war. It wasn't open war but had it allowed to continue, it likely would have ended up being so.More then likely; nothing like a civil war between the 'rightful' heirs of a throne.
Even within the Horde, there's the potential for inner-faction conflict via the Forsaken not needing nourishment resources versus the living races who do, Goblins vs. Taurens due to the strip mining of various places.And the fact that Forsaken ruin the lands they conquer as well; look at what happened to Southshore. And yeah, the way races do things stand against others.
It's really too bad they established the Alliance as a tight-knit group of different races. Inner-faction conflict is good conflict.Well, semi-close; there are still conflicts between the races of the Alliance in what they do and don't do. Gnomes and Dwarves have different ideals then the Night Elves, but all of the races do seem to learn more from each other then fighting among themselves.
Edit 2: Heck Rank, couldn't you see your own government pulling something like that?
dammit you're right T_T
Heh, sadly the way it seems to be.
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229054
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Post by
Rankkor
ya but the real world doesn't have a global enemy that is a threat to all life, nor do they have any equivalent of the sha either.
We simply can't know how the many MANY nations that hate each other's guts would react if a fleet of alien ships invaded earth and the only way to repel them is by putting differences aside and fight together....
And as soon as that threat is gone, betting it would be back to business as usual....as seen by our own world wars.....
Unlike the world wars, the Horde-Alliance conflict is more ideological. The most important factor for the world wars, economic divergences, is absent.
not quite. At least the orcs have an economical reason to keep fighting, their forays into ashenvale is due to them needing the lumber.
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Rankkor
if you think about it, the only other place south of ashenvale in all of kalimdor that can provide wood is exclusively Feralas, (since desolace is under the protection of the cenarion circle)
trying to move such large amounts of timber between continents while having to deal with brigands, quillboars, alliance, and other threats.......... yhea its much simpler to just go to ashenvale that its litterally around the corner.
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Post by
Atik
if you think about it, the only other place south of ashenvale in all of kalimdor that can provide wood is exclusively Feralas, (since desolace is under the protection of the cenarion circle)
trying to move such large amounts of timber between continents while having to deal with brigands, quillboars, alliance, and other threats.......... yhea its much simpler to just go to ashenvale that its litterally around the corner.
Build a port on the shore of Feralas, go around the other side of the world, dock off the coast of Silvermoon?
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Adamsm
Build a port on the shore of Feralas, go around the other side of the world, dock off the coast of Silvermoon?
And deal with storms, creatures of the deep, and who knows what else in the deep water to the west of Kalimdor.
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Atik
Build a port on the shore of Feralas, go around the other side of the world, dock off the coast of Silvermoon?
And deal with storms, creatures of the deep, and who knows what else in the deep water to the west of Kalimdor.
I would take those over the malestorm and nagas.
And I just derped anywau...
The horde use zepplins...
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