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Post by
Rankkor
Malfurion= Invincible, never defeated in combat.Actually, Mal has been defeated quite a bit over the years after all.
can't posibly remember when was the last time he fought someone and lost.
unless you count when they left him stuck in the emerald dream.
Did he lost to someone in stormrage while I wasn't looking?
Post by
Rankkor
and now I wanna move the topic to an interesting tougth that occured to me.
What sort of entertainment exists in azeroth? I mean, what sort of games do they play?
Would stuff like poker, or blackjack exist in the world of azeroth? would orcs have their own versions of gambling games?
and about sports, would sports like soccer or baseball exist? We know goblins practice "Foot-bomb" (even if the rules are kinda murky) but other than kezan I've never seen mention, or even acknowledgements that sports exist, or gambling games like blackjack, poker, solitary, ect.
The citizens of azeroth cant ALL be fighting ALL THE TIME, they have to have some sort of stress-release activities, and in a world where underground arena tournaments are held, with bettings being allowed, other less violent forms of gambling must exist.
This started out because I'm sorta leaning on developing the story of my goblin rogue, as a cheater at cards, the sort of player that uses sleight of hand, and other tactics to try and steal money from others in a more "white-collar" fashion, but if poker doen't exist, that raises some problems..........
would other forms of entertainment exist? theater must exist, because there was one in karazhan, Radio must exist too, given that they've used short-wave transmission devices before (Gnome-coder rings a bell?) and cars on kezan featured radio stations too.
/discuss
Post by
Atik
There are the darkmoon decks, so I figure there are card games of sorts. I would say you could effectively play any game with them.
Other than that, I always imagined lore Azeroth as a rich world with singing, dancing, music, comedy shows, and so on.
Oh, and brothels. Can't forget the brothels.
As for actual radio stations? I don't think the tech would be common-place enough. I mean, I don't see them sitting all over in every house or whatever.
Post by
Monday
would orcs have their own versions of gambling games?
I know for a fact that both orcs and dwarves dice.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!
Post by
Rankkor
There are the darkmoon decks, so I figure there are card games of sorts. I would say you could effectively play any game with them.
humm...... I wonder if I should invent my own rules about poker while using a darkmoon deck :P like what card represents the king, queen, ace, ect
Other than that, I always imagined lore Azeroth as a rich world with singing, dancing, music, comedy shows, and so on.
I'd like to believe so, but we haven't seen much of it =/
Shatt was one of my favorite cities because of how REAL it felt, the "end of the world" tavern had a comedy act, a musical act, and dancers to entertain their patrons, unlike the stiff inns everywhere else in the world where you either get a drink, or a bed, but not any form of entertainment.
They should display arts more openly in wow, like a theater on silvermoon, or a casino in ironforge, more entertainment other than the carnival of darkmoon faire.
Oh, and brothels. Can't forget the brothels.
ugh, you just HAD to remind me of the den of delights in Black Temple, didn't you? I hope you're happy about yourself >.<
As for actual radio stations? I don't think the tech would be common-place enough. I mean, I don't see them sitting all over in every house or whatever.
humm, true, Kezan was THE most advanced city in the world, so it would be common place there, but not elsewhere (not even gnomeregan MUAHAHAHAAHAHAH >=) goblins > gnomes)
heck all the gnomes are good for is reverse-engineering goblin tech xD the gnome-coder only showed up AFTER cataclysm, whereas goblins have been using radios on kezan for light only knows how long.
would orcs have their own versions of gambling games?
I know for a fact that both orcs and dwarves dice.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!
now that IS interesting :P
BTW is that latin? what does it mean?
Post by
Monday
would orcs have their own versions of gambling games?
I know for a fact that both orcs and dwarves dice.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!
now that IS interesting :P
BTW is that latin? what does it mean?
Well, in Beyond the Dark Portal, it starts with some orcs dicing, and then you have this:
Bone Gaming Dice
.
And no, it's the Old Tongue from the Wheel of Time series. That's Mat Cauthon's phrase, as he has the power to bend luck itself to his will.
He's also the best character, of any series. Ever.
Post by
Atik
ugh, you just HAD to remind me of the den of delights in Black Temple, didn't you? I hope you're happy about yourself >.<
Kara did it first.
"And then he asked if the IMP could join in!"...
"Actually, it wasn't half bad..."
Post by
Rankkor
would orcs have their own versions of gambling games?
I know for a fact that both orcs and dwarves dice.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!
now that IS interesting :P
BTW is that latin? what does it mean?
Well, in Beyond the Dark Portal, it starts with some orcs dicing, and then you have this:
Bone Gaming Dice
.
And no, it's the Old Tongue from the Wheel of Time series. That's Mat Cauthon's phrase, as he has the power to bend luck itself to his will.
He's also the best character, of any series. Ever.
I wanted to play that game SO BADLY >.< ( got a demo on a PC magazine CD way back when) but it never arrived to venezuela T_T and back then, the internet wasn't as advanced as today for me to download it.
Post by
Atik
Wheel of time is a book series...
Post by
Monday
Wheel of time is a book series...
There
was
a video game made out of it. However, it is primarily a book series. I highly recommend it.
Post by
Rankkor
Wheel of time is a book series...
which was adapted into a videogame too dummy :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time_
(computer_game)
and I may add that it features some of the GREATEST enviroments I've ever seen.
That white tower level was ABSOLUTELY STUNNING
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
well sold, I was more interested in what forms of gambling exist in azeroth (other than underground fighting tournaments) but yes, more theaters elsewhere should exist.
as I stated before shath is one of my favorite cities due to how diverse the "End of the World" tavern was, complete with a comedy act, a music act, and dancers to entertain the patrons, unlike all the other inns in the game that just offer you your meals and that's it.
and I don't know why you hate "morally ambiguous" stories, I find them more interesting than the black&white stories for a very simple reason:
Realism. The world we live in is NOT black and white, there are no good guys or bad guys. What one side calls terrorists, the other side calls freedom fighters, what one side calls a tyrant, the others call a revolutionary. Eventually the victors are vindicated by history. People like George Washington were depicted as traitors and evil men by the british, and had the british won the american independance, even today they would be reviled, but hey, since they won, they are depicted in a positive light.
Our own national hero Simon Bolivar, was depicted as a mass murderer by the Spanish government (Considering he led the revolution wars of half a continent) and had those revolution wars failed, even today he would had been depicted as a madman and as a boogieman of the likes of hitler, and stallin.
Our world doesn't function in a black and white morality, it functions in a grey scale, because as human beings we are conditioned to loathe the dark and embrace the light, so naturally, with grey, we often dont know what the hell do we do with grey.
on a typical black & white morality story, the good guys will win, all the time, period. It kills the tension and drama when you can foreshadow that the bad guys will bite the dust, and stories where the bad guys win are often poorly recieved, but in a setting where you can't tell who's black and who's white, the moment there is conflict, you have no idea who's side is gonna win, nor are you subconsiously drawn to one side just for being white, rather one makes their own conclusions.
This is a problem with wow, because while the alliance and horde are morally ambiguous TODAY, they weren't always so. Back in warcraft 1 and 2, the alliance was exclusively white, and the horde was exclusively black, and getting those stigmas removed isn't easy.
so yes, personally, I find a grey vs grey much more interesting, realistic, and less predictable than the typical story of good vs evil.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
hey, everyone has different tastes, if you like black&white stories, that's your cup of tea bro' nothing wrong with that :P
I was casually stating why I find grey stories more interesting. you are free to state why you like black&white stories better too, this is a forum for discussion of opinions :P everyone has one and more often than not they are are WAY different (Thank god for that, if everyone had the same opinions the world would be VERY boring)
Moral ambiguity stories are not the freaking paragon of good story telling.
they are :P I'm just stating a trend, check the most recent videogames and quite often the most successful ones depict a grey conflict and not much clarity on who's side you are suposed to be cheering for, or loathing.
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588688
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Post by
Morec0
While I love a good Black vs. White story as anyone (Disclaimer: not reffering to race) I do find that if the writter can make it seem the villian of a story is doing something good while the hero is also doing something good by stopping them it makes for a much more interesting read. Which side is right? Could the writter switch things up and have the villian's goals be met? Grey vs. Grey (Disclaimer: again not reffering to race) can be extremely interesting. As I wrote for a work I have in mind:
Who is more evil: the man who does evil deeds and admits to them being such or the man who does evil deeds and then claims them to be deeds for the cause of good?
The most epic line I have ever written.
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