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Post by
Skreeran
You don't think Dag'rema is inherently evil?
Well, maybe not inherently in the sense that she wasn't born that way, but she is certainly evil all the way to the core of her black heart.
Well, from what I've read of her on your WoWWiki page, and from what you've said about her in reference to Kitanga, yes she would be. But I've never seen that played out in an RP before D:Too bad you aren't following A20... :P
Here, I bookmarked it:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=127245.223&p=1555676#p1555621
Post by
HiVolt
That's pretty messed up, but you could have gone a little darker with the last worgen female... kill the baby, then leave her blind. Then again the stress from that last spell could have done the former. You should have added that in.
Man I'm twisted.
But yeah, that's pretty evil.
Post by
Skreeran
Well, she's pregnant. I mean, Dag'rema could have aborted her, but that's less horrifying and more just... not cool.
Post by
HiVolt
Well, she's pregnant. I mean, Dag'rema could have aborted her, but that's less horrifying and more just... not cool.I think it's pretty horrifying in the sense that the mother would have to watch it happen, then go blind just after, making it the last visual memory she would ever have. It would drive her completely insane. Then again, maybe that's a little too $%^&ed up for forum RP.
Onto a lighter subject:
Interesting.
Saw this in the Desolace description:
The covens in the zone appear to have been partially successful in summoning in Burning Legion demons.
Combine that with
this
from WoWWiki:
Despite numerous attacks by stalwart adventurers, efforts to dismantle these operations have been largely unsuccessful, with the exception of the recovery of the Sceptre of Light from the Fortress and the sealing of some of the portals in Mannoroc.
This could be pointing to more Burning Blade & Shadow Council activity in the future. Hooray for more Horde side-plots!
Post by
Skreeran
Well, she's pregnant. I mean, Dag'rema could have aborted her, but that's less horrifying and more just... not cool.I think it's pretty horrifying in the sense that the mother would have to watch it happen, then go blind just after, making it the last visual memory she would ever have. It would drive her completely insane. Then again, maybe that's a little too $%^&ed up for forum RP.Well, it's not that, it's just that she wanted to cause Bloodhowl pain by hurting his mate. Making her go insane is one way, but she found it more effective to do something more visually horrifying, removing her eyes, and then the curse of agony, to make it even more disturbing to Bloodhowl. I suppose I could have had her abort the child, but that just seemed like it wouldn't get much done. I wanted her to be able to talk, and share her agony, rather than just reducing her to some gibbering mess.
And yeah, I tend to think of miscarriages and abortion as "icky," and I would prefer my villains used more dynamic means of torture.
Post by
Lecks
I hope they'll actually do something with the Burning Blade Cultists in Desolace now.
I'm talking about
these guys
, not the ones who're actually part of quests and have a purpose.
Post by
Morec0
Dag'rema
It's a no brainer, Skree. And I have to agree with his reasoning. I had the child die anyway.
Post by
Morec0
Is anyone else slightly disturbed that this has fewer comments and view then ToNA?
EDIT: Heck, is has fewer comments and view then the Q&A for it.
Post by
Adamsm
New Ask A Faction Leader is up!
My only regret is that I wasn't personally able to raise Whitemane or Abbendis myself. Have you seen those two? I may be dead, but man, do they make me feel alive. Partially, anyway.I lol'ed, I lol'ed hard. Damn you Morec, Darlok is seeping into wow.com!
Post by
Patty
Whitemane is rawr.
Post by
Morec0
lol XD
I've left a perminent impression on the WoW society. All I need now is a NPC with my name.
Post by
Patty
Well, there is Paletress in WoW. Maybe she has a twin sister, Darklock? /wink
Post by
Adamsm
It's the truth.
Right from the Tides of Darkness game manuel:
While the Shadow Council kept close watch over the workings of the Horde, the masses looked to the clan chiefs as their leaders. Two chieftains arose who were well respected and feared by the Various clans - Cho'gall, the Ogre-Mage of the Twilight's Hammer clan, and Kilrogg Deadeye of the Bleeding Hollow clan. These powerful leaders were expected to direct the Horde to a swift and savage victory over the Humans. Thus, as the Horde gradually channeled through the rift into Azeroth, Cho'gall and Kilrogg began to plan their assault against the Human stronghold of Stormwind.
The attack against Stormwind was catastrophic. Our armies, expecting to meet weak resistance, charged headlong into the enemy fortress. Surprisingly, the Humans soldiers held our forces at bay. Then they unleashed warriors mounted upon beasts of muscle and sinew to devastate our troops. The Humans forced our troops to retreat back into the swamplands surrounding our outpost and the Portal where, only by the invoking the shrouding mists of shadow, were we able to escape. This decisive and humiliating defeat threw the Horde into chaos. Cho'gall and Kilrogg blamed each other's incompetence for the failure, and the Orcs quickly polarized into factions that supported either chieftain. The Shadow Council desperately sought a remedy to the violence that was sure to follow, but the volatile nature of the Orcs made it difficult to appeal to reason or wisdom. I realized that the Horde needed a strong leader that could unify the clans under his control - and be kept in his place. Thus did I first learn of Blackhand the Destroyer...
Blackhand, chieftain of the young Blackrock clan and a Raider in the Sythegore Arm, was well honored by Orcs within the Horde. More importantly, he was extremely lustful, and this made him easily corruptible. With help from the Shadow Council, I set the eager Blackhand upon the horned throne of the War Chief. To his credit, Blackhand was a ruthless dictator who inspired awe and terror from his warriors. While the Horde rallied under Blackhand and the other chieftains acquiesced control of him, it was I who dictated policy by blackmailing and bribing Blackhand.
With Blackhand's ascension to War Chief, order was restored to the Horde. I was visited again by the visage of Medivh, who appeared more in control of his powers, but less in control of his mind. Petitioning the Horde to destroy the kingdom of Azeroth, but to make him ruler of its people, Medivh offered all manners of treasures and baubles to me. I assured him that his world was ours for the taking, and that he held nothing that could persuade the Horde to do his bidding. His face broke into a wicked sneer as he proceeded to show me the image of an ancient tomb upon which was etched the name of the Daemonlord Sargeras. The Tomb of Sargeras! The daemonlord who had instructed my own tutor Kil'jaeden was entombed upon this pathetic little world! Destiny had chosen to lay the hand upon my shoulders alone, for Kil'jaeden had told me that the lost Tomb contained power absolute - enough to make any who would control it into a living god. Medivh pledged that he would grant me the location of the Tomb if only I would use the Horde to destroy his enemies...
Thus, the Orcish Horde made war against the kingdom of Azeroth.
The First War of Orcish Ascension
We took the lands of Azeroth from the Humans and razed all that we surveyed. My personal assassin, Garona the Half-Orc, executed Azeroth's leader King Llane and returned his heart to me. Although the Horde dominated Azeroth and the pathetic worms who defended it, my own plans were badly hampered.
Orgrim Doomhammer presents the head of Blackhand
A small band of Human warriors stormed Medivh's Tower and engaged the insane sorcerer in direct combat. As his body was slashed and torn by the swords of Azeroth, Medivh began to transmit telepathic waves of trauma across the astral plane which easily shattered even my formidable defenses. I attempted to reach into the sorcerer's mind and steal the location of the Tomb from him directly, but before I could divest the location, Medivh was killed by the Azerothiens. Having been inside his mind at the moment of his temporal death, I suffered a massive psychic backlash and fell into a catatonic state.
For weeks I slept as if dead, closely guarded by my faithful Warlocks. When I finally arose, I learned of the shift in the balance power within the Horde. Blackhand had been killed. Without my magiks and counseling to aid him, Blackhand fell prey to a surprise attack launched by one of his strongest and most trusted generals - Orgrim Doomhammer. Orgrim was quick to consolidate his power within the Horde, justifying the assassination of Blackhand by securing false testimony that support his claims of the Destroyer's incompetence as War Chief.
It seemed that the hand of fate had struck me a harsh blow. Orgrim set out to uncover the inner workings of the Horde, leaving no stone unturned. Eventually, his spies captured my servant Garona and under intensive, agonizing torture, forced her to reveal the existence and location of the Shadow Council. She was weaker than I had expected.
Suspecting that the Shadow Council was a threat to his control of the Horde, Doomhammer led his Wolfriders in a surprise attack against my Citadel near the ruins of Stormwind Keep.
The Warlocks, caught unprepared by Orgrim's assault, held off the Horde as long as their magiks would last. Having no time to rest or replenish their energies, the Warlocks fell before the wrath of Orgrim. In the end, the Doomhammer was victorious. Any surviving Warlocks were branded as traitors to the Horde. The public executions were effective in weakening my position and strengthening his... Right there in the bold part, Stormwind is in ruins before he goes after the Shadow Council.
Edit: For those wondering about the randomness, Darkton had put up a post, trying to get a poll for those who believed it was Doomhammer and not Blackhand who razed Stormwind.
Post by
Morec0
Actually, it was the player. And, juding by what I've read, you play as Doomhammer in WC1
With that, Darkton was right, to an extent.
Post by
229054
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
The book Tides of Darkness itself retconned it; it states there that Doomhammer killed Blackhand
after
the fall of Stormwind.
Post by
451455
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
So the information from the WC2 Manuel, Tides of Darkness means nothing eh Darkton? As that would be the actual real information, straight from Blizzard itself.
Edit: Oh yeah, and the comic shows Stormwind burning as Varian watchs Garona kill Llane.
The version of Stormwind being destroyed by Doomhammer would have to be right if Llane died at that point, because Llane died during it.So, leaving out the part where Doomhammer beats Garona almost to death to find out the truth about the Shadow Council, then he heads off and kills them all, excluding a few acoylates and Gul'dan and Cho'gall, means it never happened, even though it's stated in ToD?
Post by
451455
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
No, merely that their conflicting information all around.
Doomhammer is a villian. The idea of calling him a hero, let alone a legend, makes me laugh.And of course, ask any Orc and they would say the idea of Lothar and Turaylon being heroes is laugh, and shouldn't been seen as legends.
I don't get your point, you are just mashing your story with the real one.
You responded so fast, I doubt you read my sources, so I think you are just defending Doomhammer because you like him. Fine.
But that does not make you right, for example, remember that time when I was right about Rexxar and you were wrong? That would mean you were wrong about your favorite Warcraft character. Its happens some times.
Last edited by darkton 30 seconds agoAnd yet, we offer up evidence to show our side of it's as well, but because their opposite to your views, you dismiss them out of hand. And that isn't my story Dark, that is cannon to Blizzard.
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