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Rankkor
....but the idea of a group of Night Elves who have been devoted to protecting Hyjal accepting help from those who are the enemies...just doesn't sit right with me.
hyjal was threatened in the third war, and they accepted help from those enemies. Why didn't it sit wrong that time?
also, the wardens aren't exactly "Guardians of Hyjal" they are cops, cops deal with all criminals.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, right...and to most of the Night elf nation, the Orcs and other members of the Horde are criminals; especially after what they were doing in Ashenvale and the like.
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Post by
Adamsm
But keep in mind that it's the adventurers, and the adventurers are a special case-- or at least I'd like to think so.Well, Therazane shows that; once you prove yourself to her, she tolerates you...but everyone else needs to get the hell out of Deepholme before she crushes them all.
If the Guardians of Hyjal are working with Thrall, supposedly, then why not other orcs who are all but willing to be submissive to their authority and help?Eh still hoping to see some type of reaction from the Wardens at first if you aren't a night elf speaking to them.
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Post by
Rankkor
Heh, right...and to most of the Night elf nation, the Orcs and other members of the Horde are criminals; especially after what they were doing in Ashenvale and the like.
you seem to confuse "Criminal" with "Enemy" mixing them as sinonyms, and they arent.
A criminal is someone who is bound by law, and still breaks it. It's Illegal in Venezuela for gay couples to get married, thus 2 venezuelan citizens who are gay and wish to get married would be breaking the law. However, American Citizens aren't bound by venezuelan laws, and thus Gay Couples in america CAN get married, and as a married couple visit venezuela as an oficial couple.
Same deal goes here, Darnassus Citizens are bound by Night-elven law, and must obey it, if they do not, the cops go after them. Horde members aren't bound by Darnassian law, if they commit crimes against Darnassus, they are enemies of the state and are dealt with by the army (The Sentinels), not the police (The Wardens).
Thus, Wardens have no real reason to have a chip on their shoulders against the horde. They are the army's problem. And for the billionth time, if they had no problem with working side by side with the horde on the third war, why would they have a problem now? sometimes emergencies can cause a temporal "Cease of Fire" or a case of
Enemy Mine
notice how During Maiev's pursuit of Illidan she ignored the scourge treath, because the scourge isn't bound by elven law, thus they aren't criminals, they are enemies, and thus not her problem.
Post by
Skreeran
To add to that last point, I think the Shadow Wardens are smart enough to avoid the classic problem of
Let's You And Him Fight
.
Post by
Rankkor
To make a point, Warden=Cop.
thus in darnassus, you break the law, and these guys (well, gals) will be down on you like a ton of bricks.
The shadow-wardens are the hyjal police, and thus if you break the law while on hyjal, it doesn't matter if u're horde or alliance, they will bust your ass down.
They don't give a damn what race are you, as long as you dont break the law while on hyjal. Why weren't we able to visit hyjal prior to the cataclysm? because the guardians of hyjal were guarding it and they strictly forbade entrance to anyone, horde or alliance, under penalty of death.
Hyjal became a "No man's land" after the third war, belonging to neither alliance nor horde. Thus the standard alliance laws and horde laws are irrelevant there. The shadow-wardens may be an all-nightelf police force due to tradition, but since they hold no affiliation with the darnassus police, they don't really give a damn what is your nationality, as long as you don't break the law on their turf.
Post by
Patty
@patty: what do you mean they wont? what's there to explain? these are either an offshoot of the wardens, or a diferent group, that are hiring mercs and don't really care what flag you wear as long as you get the job done.
I will leave it here that we HAVE met already several wardens that are neutral to the horde, Maiev accepted my help to get her revenge on Illidan (Granted she was deranged at that point and would had accepted Kil'jaeden's help if he had offered it) but more importantly, when we move Fandral from his prison to a new one, TA-DAH there's wardens there, and they weren't hostile to my horde toons.
They've not explained if the Shadow Wardens are officially under Darnassus' command or independant of Tyrande's government. After all, it would be a little jarring to have the elites of your army in the Firelands fighting for justice when one of your most major cities are pretty much under a state of siege. I'm assuming they probably won't explain it because, well, this is Blizzard. And don't get me wrong about Cataclysm, I love the lore ideas of so many of the zones and revamped content, but some places have got so many plot holes in them that Swiss cheese is jealous.
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Post by
Rankkor
@patty: what do you mean they wont? what's there to explain? these are either an offshoot of the wardens, or a diferent group, that are hiring mercs and don't really care what flag you wear as long as you get the job done.
I will leave it here that we HAVE met already several wardens that are neutral to the horde, Maiev accepted my help to get her revenge on Illidan (Granted she was deranged at that point and would had accepted Kil'jaeden's help if he had offered it) but more importantly, when we move Fandral from his prison to a new one, TA-DAH there's wardens there, and they weren't hostile to my horde toons.
They've not explained if the Shadow Wardens are officially under Darnassus' command or independant of Tyrande's government. After all, it would be a little jarring to have the elites of your army in the Firelands fighting for justice when one of your most major cities are pretty much under a state of siege. I'm assuming they probably won't explain it because, well, this is Blizzard. And don't get me wrong about Cataclysm, I love the lore ideas of so many of the zones and revamped content, but some places have got so many plot holes in them that Swiss cheese is jealous.
that's the thing, I agree with you, that elaboration on the nature of these wardens will be left up in the air.
So far there are 2 posibilities.
A: that they specifically say these are related to the Darnassian Wardens, wich are the elite core of the Watchers, and in that case it would be really weird to have them working with the horde. Unless they provide an explanation as to why they would accept help for the horde which I doubt they will do, leaving us in the dark as usual.
B: they don't specifically say that these are related to the Darnassian Wardens. In that case we gotta use a bit of logic and asume that these are a diferent group altogether with no afiliation to darnassus.
Since we can work for them, I'm leaning towards B unless blizzard specifically says otherwise, cuz it wound't make sence if the actual watchers were working with the horde now.
tough as usual I'm leaving it out here that the
Siame-Quashi
the elite corp of the Darkspear Military forces (Who are trolls, and just as xenophobic as the night elves) were willing to put aside diferences and work with the farstriders, and the Silver Covenant, as well as the alliance when the other troll tribes rebelled.
It would be unusual for the actual Darnassian Watchers to do the same, but it would not be imposible.
Post by
Adamsm
Lol.
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Post by
Adamsm
What would happen if the Horde were to attack the Argent Crusade, much like they attacked Gilneas.
If it were benefitial to Garrosh or if he were in some way manipulated to attack the Argent Crusade, what do you think would happen?
How powerful is the Argent Crusade? Would the Alliance team up with them?
As said in your thread: If the Horde attacked the Argent Crusade, they would be attacking themselves as the Crusade has Horde and Alliance members as part of it.
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Adamsm
Humans and Timelines.
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306612
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Adamsm
Southern Barrens Alliance side.
Post by
Atik
Out of curiosity, anyone have a version of WoW Model Viewer that works with 4.1?
Wait... there was another reason I came here I think... Uh... wow, completely slipped my mind.
Post by
Rankkor
out of curiosity, adamsm, that avatar is from Chrono Cross rite? I know i've seen that face before but I can't place my finger on it.What would happen if the Horde were to attack the Argent Crusade, much like they attacked Gilneas.
If it were benefitial to Garrosh or if he were in some way manipulated to attack the Argent Crusade, what do you think would happen?
How powerful is the Argent Crusade? Would the Alliance team up with them?
this again? dude, as everyone in your (now locked) thread said: the same thing would happen if the alliance attacked them.
Neutral factions are not to be touched, not only because several horde and alliance members work with them, but also because neither side wants the neutrals as enemies.
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