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Monday
They abandoned their land and left behind its defenders, who were killed and turned, and some of whom are now Forsaken. It's not their land anymore as far as I'm concerned. I mean, if you were a woman who couldn't fight, and had to leave her home to get on a ship to Theramore or Stormwind, yes, that sucks for you, but zombie apocalypses suck. After you abandon your home, don't expect it back. You lost it. Sorry.
OK, so the Horde shouldn't have Outland back? A lot of them left from the big earth shattering kabooms. And why should they have any of the Eastern Kingdoms back if they left to Kalimdor?
Post by
Patty
D'you know what Skree? Your post immediately made me think of Netanyahu's view towards the Palestinian refugees in this section:
So if it's the Forsaken--the people who lost not their homes, but their lives--or the humans who abandoned their homes in return for survival, then I'd say the land belongs to the Forsaken. It's been ten years since the Scourge destroyed the Kingdom of Lordaeron. Obviously the survivors are living somewhere. There doesn't seem to be a massive population of homeless refugees in Stormwind. So, instead of kicking the Forsaken out of their homes, why don't you just keep living where you've been living for the last decade?
Not criticising it or anything (that would be far too off-topic), but merely pointing out how relevant the points that we make
really are
to real life.
Post by
Skreeran
I'm aware of that... ;) My parents (my mother, especially) are Zionists, and while I don't necessarily agree with their views, some of it has rubbed off on me.
Post by
Patty
I was going to post a wall of critting death post about Israel/Palestine (basically all of my history coursework), but decided against it. ;)
Post by
Skreeran
Lol, probably wise... :P
I'm not sure what my feelings on the matter are. I support Israel, because they seem to be one of the only not-jacked-up countries in the Middle East (at least, from a standard of living perspective; yes there are still bombings, and it's a hair's breadth away from war almost all the time, but at least the people aren't being oppressed).
On the other hand, while I disagree with Iran's theocracy and a lot of the policies of the Muslim states, you have to remember that the Palestinians are people too, and you can't generalize them all as suicide bombers like Hamas.
So, yeah... If we get into a big discussion about this, we should probably move to another board... :P
Post by
GVHB
I personally don't think so. Only faced with a very, VERY direct threat (even the Fenris Isle guys only do it in face of a very real threat) would they even consider doing so.
Gilneas was invaded by the Worgen, and I'd wager that if it wasn't for Greymane himself being Worgen, the population wouldn't have accepted it as easily as it did.
That's something else I just realized seems wrong. Greymane was supposidly infected shortly after he managed to escape Greymane City - or at least at some point before Duskhaven - yet he, unlike the player character, manages to shift between human and worgen forms at will without the help of the night elves. The only things I can think of to explain it is that A) Krennan had made a stronger potion that he, for whatever reason, decided to only use on the king; or B) Genn just had enough willpower to do so.
At the end of the first issue of Curse of the Worgen, Graymane is at his observatory talking with one of the night elves of Tal'doren so Genn knows more about the Worgen and the curse than your average Gilnean.
Post by
Rankkor
horde are the villians now, nothing more nothing less. then at the end of wow, as the horde has devolved into more sinister villians, chris metzen will pull out one of his beloved yet stupid and overused redemptions and then the horde will SUDDENLY BE TEH GOOD GAIZ AGAIN.
thats whats going on. chris metzen is building the horde to be more and more evil till the end of wow then he'll pull out some crappy written redemption and suddenly horde are good guys again.
atleast, thats what it looks like now. the horde storyline is so terrible written and flawed that its a joke. thats what happens when writers with little imagination try to make typical fantasy villian races into good guys. they just cant do it without imagination.
/facepalm
if you're gonna have such narrow-minded tunnel-vision mentality of the game's lore, then there's not much point in debating with you bro'.
also (considering the exesive redundacy on your posts) why do I get the feeling you're a certain someone we haven't seen on these forums for a while?
(if u aren't, then I apologize, but really, that certain user whose-name-shall-not-be-mentioned, had a really sick fanatism for the alliance, view the horde as the devil's spawns, used constant redundancy on his posts, and had 3 other common indicatives on his posts, we shall see if you display those other 3 marks.)
Post by
Monday
Delmarus?
Post by
Skreeran
horde are the villians now, nothing more nothing less. then at the end of wow, as the horde has devolved into more sinister villians, chris metzen will pull out one of his beloved yet stupid and overused redemptions and then the horde will SUDDENLY BE TEH GOOD GAIZ AGAIN.
thats whats going on. chris metzen is building the horde to be more and more evil till the end of wow then he'll pull out some crappy written redemption and suddenly horde are good guys again.
atleast, thats what it looks like now. the horde storyline is so terrible written and flawed that its a joke. thats what happens when writers with little imagination try to make typical fantasy villian races into good guys. they just cant do it without imagination.
/facepalm
if you're gonna have such narrow-minded tunnel-vision mentality of the game's lore, then there's not much point in debating with you bro'.
also (considering the exesive redundacy on your posts) why do I get the feeling you're a certain someone we haven't seen on these forums for a while?
(if u aren't, then I apologize, but really, that certain user whose-name-shall-not-be-mentioned, had a really sick fanatism for the alliance, view the horde as the devil's spawns, used constant redundancy on his posts, and had 3 other common indicatives on his posts, we shall see if you display those other 3 marks.)Nah, I'm pretty sure it's not him. ;)
Just check out his posts in the most recent Forsaken thread.
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306612
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Skreeran
Eh, Astranaar is on fire. Maestra's post is on fire. Silverwing Lodge has been cleared out. That's a lot further into Ashenvale than they were before. The elves, for all their bragging, seem to be getting their butts kicked.
And yes, the Alliance has gotten a few bases in Southern Barrens, but they're not exactly at Orgrimmar's gate. There's sort of a massive canyon in their way. That thing must be a nightmare to navigate siege weaponry around.
Post by
Skreeran
I played the Alliance version of Ashenvale. I haven't even done it on a Horde toon.
The Alliance was getting its ass kicked when I got there.
Post by
Adamsm
The Horde quests are all about the fact that they over reached; between the one at Splintertree who uses Fel and nearly get's killed for it(even though she was doing it for love), to the forcing into Stonetalon(and it's epic line from Garrosh at the end), to Zoram Strand attempting to reinforce after the losses of their ships.....Horde took quite a few hits there.
Doesn't mean the Alliance didn't take quite a few hits themselves.
No one wins in Stonetalon.
Post by
Rankkor
dude, skreeran, you're so biased its not even funny.
damn your biased. take off the bias glasses
ohh really?
horde are the villians now, nothing more nothing less. then at the end of wow, as the horde has devolved into more sinister villians, chris metzen will pull out one of his beloved yet stupid and overused redemptions and then the horde will SUDDENLY BE TEH GOOD GAIZ AGAIN.
thats whats going on. chris metzen is building the horde to be more and more evil till the end of wow then he'll pull out some crappy written redemption and suddenly horde are good guys again.
atleast, thats what it looks like now. the horde storyline is so terrible written and flawed that its a joke. thats what happens when writers with little imagination try to make typical fantasy villian races into good guys. they just cant do it without imagination.
orcs wouldnt know the first thing of honor. they're the most cowardly bastards who ever existed. like in rise of the horde, purposely outnumbering and outgearing barely defended draenei villages and slaughtering them all, children included, then saying "WE GOTS HONOR"
then theres the broken front...... orcs are pathetic cowards who dare to say they have honor. they got none. at all.
ohhh if only you knew the definition of "Irony" :P
and the horde "Didn't got kicked out of ashenvale"
in case you missed it amist your tunnel-vision, Silverwing Refuge belongs to the horde now, and nope, the alliance doesn't take it back. The Warsong Lumber camp didn't got smaller, quite the oposite, it expanded further into the woods as oposed to outwards, Splintertree was besieged by nightelves and they ALL were incinerated, and Zoram'gar is reinforced. Astranaar is still under attack (even after completing the quests you can still see the horde NPC's bombarding the zone even now)
Post by
Patty
/facedesk
^ This. Thousand times this.
Honestly, there's no point responding.
Post by
Adamsm
Baine.
Post by
Rankkor
o_O he was banned already? wow that was quick. Did I missed something in the past 8 hours?
Post by
Monday
o_O he was banned already? wow that was quick. Did I missed something in the past 8 hours?
I lot of anger directed at everybody and QQ saying they hated him when people responded.
And a lot of hate to Skree.
Post by
Adamsm
o_O he was banned already? wow that was quick. Did I missed something in the past 8 hours?
A report about him.
Post by
Rankkor
o_O he was banned already? wow that was quick. Did I missed something in the past 8 hours?
A report about him.
funden was a bit more specific but thanks for the answer anyways bro' xD
and now moving onto a more cheerful topic:
When Malygos was slain, he had to be replaced, and Kalecgos was selected as the new Aspect of Magic.
When Deathwing is destroyed, who should be chosen as the new earthwarder? a dragon from another flight? perhaps install the netherdrakes as the replacement of the black dragons?
I am somewhat hoping blizz won't put a non-dragon as the new earthwarder, I'm asuming that whoever takes Dwing's role will be a dragon too, but so far that we know of, there's only 1 and only 1 uncorrupted black dragon on all of azeroth and it's just an egg, it will be hundreds of years before he grows into a Wyrm stage to properly be an Aspect.
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