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Patty
I'm not sure what Garrosh can do at this point to redeem himself; I think he crossed the moral event horizon when he said he thinks slaughtering your enemies children is okay.
Or Varian when he justifies wanting to kill Me'dan just to make Garona feel bad? Or eliminating the Horde threat, calling Orcs "twisted, green abberations?" Varian is just as racist and xenophobic as Garrosh. The only difference is their reasoning behind it. If Varian can see the Light at the end of the tunnel, I don't see a reason Garrosh can't.
Post by
Lecks
they are strenghtening the allliance, and making the horde fall apart........... that aint fair.
Don't worry, Rankkorr. Remember that Metzen's heart lies with the Horde, it's disarray won't last long.
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Adamsm
Med'an is in his 20's, l2time.Physically, but we don't know what he is mentally. He was born near the end of the first war, so he's only 10 years or so younger then Varian. His draenei blood slows down his aging, same as Garona.
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Post by
Skreeran
Med'an is a child. Many many characters say it, including Varian.
His draenei blood causes him to physically be a teenager despite his chronological age.
Also, being a racist does not necessarily mean a supremacist. Varian is racist against orcs. Garrosh is racist against... just about everyone who's not Mag'har/Warsong.
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Adamsm
Yes I'm not disputing how old he is physically, like I said, it's the mental age no one is sure about.
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Post by
Rankkor
Yeah, it was obvious when the first thing that he does when he comes to power is kick anyone who isn't a Dwarf or Human out of Stormwind
to be a racist you don't have to hate ALL races that are not the same as yours, is enough when you hate 1 race.
if a white man hates all the black, but loves the asian, arabs, latinos, and other white folk, he's still a racist.
varian doesn't hate dwarves gnomes night elves, or draenei ,but he hates the orcs.
on the comics he says "half-orc full-orc what's the diference? an orc is an orc and NONE of your kind can be trusted" (AKA, if 1 orc is evil, then all orcs must be evil, now you look at me and tell me that's not racism)
then on the argent tournament when it's the turn of the horde to fight, he says "I didnt' come here to see animals tear at each other's troaths" (AKA, dehumanizing his foes to make it more fair and righteous to kill them, "just killign animals that need to be put down", you tell me that's not racism)
he showed some compation on ICC, but that doesn't erase what he did before.
after all, on the
Iliad
the greeks and troyans were at war with each other, and they hated each other out, profousely, achilees himself butchered hundreds of troyans himself, and when he murdered the son of the king (hector) he dragged his corpse arround the city of troy for 3 days to taunt the troyans.
however, after those 3 days he allowed Priam(hector's father) to retrieve the corpse.
greeks and troyans hated each other out, and yet for a brief moment they were able to put their diferences aside, to let a grieving father reclaim the body of his son, and achilees alowed it to happen, however, rite afte that the greek and troyans continued their war, to the point were greeks ended up invading troy (using the dreaded Horse of troy) and butchered every man woman and child on the city, and then burned it to the ground.
so, just because varian showed a little mercy, does NOT absolves him from all the crap he's done before.
he's a racist bigot warmonger, but at least he can show respect to whom respect deserves (and NOBODY deserves more respect than the saurfang family, NOBODY, even the alliance soldiers reveres saurfang as a true warrior and veteran)
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Rankkor
By your logic, every single NPC in WoW is racist.
how come? explain yourself better
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Post by
Adamsm
All members of the Horde are opposed to the Alliance by definition. That makes them racist. Vice Versa as well.Taurens have no real problem with the Alliance.
Blood Elves have every right to hate the Alliance as one of their commanders tried to wipe them out.
Trolls are the same, they were attacked by Kul Tiras forces on their island homes.
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Patty
Orcs and Forsaken have reasons to hate the Alliance too, and they are valid - Even if people argue otherwise.
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Adamsm
Orcs and Forsaken have reasons to hate the Alliance too, and they are valid - Even if people argue otherwise.
I'd put them, but then it would descend into the Humans vs Orcs/Forsaken again Patty.
All members of the Horde are opposed to the Alliance by definition. That makes them racist. Vice Versa as well.Taurens have no real problem with the Alliance.
Blood Elves have every right to hate the Alliance as one of their commanders tried to wipe them out.
Trolls are the same, they were attacked by Kul Tiras forces on their island homes.
Really? Because I see lots of Tauren among the Warsong Expedition, and it looks like there were many Tauren at the Broken Front.
I've never seen a Blood Elf NPC use Garithos to justify their disdain towards the Alliance. It's only players who do that. The Blood Elves that were victimized by Garithos followed Kael'thas, and we would later go on to kill those guys in Outland. The playable Blood Elves don't have much reason to hate the Alliance other than diplomatic blunders. Anyway, I also see lots of Blood Elves among the Warsong Expedition.
Same deal with Trolls.
And all three of those races have PvPers, so you're wrong. PVP'ers do not count in Lore. As for the Taurens being part of Warsong and Broken Front, yes they fight for the Horde, but overall? They don't hate the Alliance, they rarely hate anyone. And I'd put in the Arthas arguement, but that has been done to death in other locations. The Trolls, the Darkspear Island trolls, did not attack Kul Tiras first, they arrived on their island and started wiping them out. If any Darkspear hates the humans.... it would be the same as humans hating orcs for the First war.
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Lecks
Is it really racism, or is it simply animosity towards the opposing forces?
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