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Monday
I don't hate "everything" knaak writes
This is me. I didn't like Day/Night of the Dragon, but I did like some of his Dragonlance work.
My favorite Warcraft books are still BYTDP and ToD, along with Arthas: RotLK.
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Adamsm
The Dragonlance series has always relied on plot coupons lol; from the, well, Dragonlance itself, to the Dragon Orbs and so on and so forth.
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Monday
Hey, question.
Why are there no human shamans, and by extent worgen?
A very large amount of the twilights hammer are humans, and they control the elements just as well as any other race.
Controlling elements =/= shamanism.
Fire and Frost mages also control the elements.
As for why they can't, I'd assume it's cultural. You don't see a lot of nature loving humans, etc.
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Adamsm
Because of the Human mindset; of course, since we've found out that Vrykul can be shamans, it's only a matter of time before the descendants learn it as well.
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Rankkor
that's funny cuz the Kurzen medicinemen in Stranglethorn use lightning shield, lightning bolt, healing wave, and other shaman spells (including totems). And they are humans.
is mostly a cultural thing, there is no physical impediment, is mostly that in the case of benign shamans, the elements must choose you in order for you to comun with them. With the more malign shaman (like Magatha, or the rest of the twilight hammer shamans) they force the elements to obey.
in the end it's boiled down to the same reason why there aren't any orc paladins. Cultural thing.
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Adamsm
Yes, but they are Medicine Men, not Shaman lol; and there is a different in a wide variety of cultures.
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Adamsm
He get's the killing blow, but it was him(and his twin magical clone), Jaina, Broll, Valeera, Thargas Anvilmar, and an army from Stormwind, Ironforge and Theramore.
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Patty
him(and his twin magical clone)
This game never fails to amaze me.
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Skreeran
him(and his twin magical clone)
This game never fails to amaze me.
This
site
never fails to amaze me.
Honestly
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I know right.
Wowwiki is sooo much better.lolno
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Behelich
I know right.
Wowwiki is sooo much better.
Heresy!
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Treskol
I was reading Aegwynn's page and I came across this;
She locked deep within him the knowledge of Tirisfal, to be made manifest when he reached physical maturity. When that time came however, the power of Tirisfal was too much for him to properly channel and the resulting backlash of magical energy pouring from the child killed his father Nielas and reduced Medivh to a comatose body.
When it says 'physical maturity', how old was he? Could Aegwynn not have foreseen the powers being too much for him? Or was this another oversight from her because she was too cocky?
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Morec0
I was reading Aegwynn's page and I came across this;
She locked deep within him the knowledge of Tirisfal, to be made manifest when he reached physical maturity. When that time came however, the power of Tirisfal was too much for him to properly channel and the resulting backlash of magical energy pouring from the child killed his father Nielas and reduced Medivh to a comatose body.
When it says 'physical maturity', how old was he? Could Aegwynn not have foreseen the powers being too much for him? Or was this another oversight from her because she was too cocky?
Physical maturity is usually defined by teenage years in similar fantasy situations, so we're talking 13-18. Also, it wasn't just the power was too much for him; it was the power of the Trisfalien - which had been created specifically to fight off demons - not being able to coexist with the power of Sageras - the master of the Burning Legion, who had taken up residence within Medivh since before his conception.
Judging by certain elements of Aegwynn's personality, though, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an element of cockyness in her decision as well - for the most part, it was to spite the other members of the Guardians of Tirisfal.
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Adamsm
He was 16 when he went into his coma.
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Treskol
Also, it wasn't just the power was too much for him; it was the power of the Trisfalien - which had been created specifically to fight off demons - not being able to coexist with the power of Sageras - the master of the Burning Legion, who had taken up residence within Medivh since before his conception.
If this is true, which I'm not doubting, just wondering, then why didn't they conflict with each other before they were revealed? Wouldn't they have felt the others presence before then, or was Sargeras part of the magic that she gave to him to be Guardian, and not a seperate entity that had gone through to Medivh when she 'defeated' him in Northend?
Also, when Medivh died and was resurrected, he said this to Khadgar;Medivh briefly returned to Karazhan, where he interacted with a past version of Khadgar (though it was a future version of Medivh from Khadgar's perspective). He explained to his erstwhile apprentice that with his burial in the past by Khadgar and his current return to life, the good (the Guardian) and the evil (Sargeras) battling within him had been destroyed, and that he was, perhaps for the first time, only Medivh.
Does that mean that at this point he was no longer the Guardian of Tirisfal? And if that is so, how did he still appear before Teneras at Lordaeron as a raven and come before Thrall in his dreams?
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Morec0
Also, it wasn't just the power was too much for him; it was the power of the Trisfalien - which had been created specifically to fight off demons - not being able to coexist with the power of Sageras - the master of the Burning Legion, who had taken up residence within Medivh since before his conception.
If this is true, which I'm not doubting, just wondering, then why didn't they conflict with each other before they were revealed? Wouldn't they have felt the others presence before then, or was Sargeras part of the magic that she gave to him to be Guardian, and not a seperate entity that had gone through to Medivh when she 'defeated' him in Northend?
No, it was Sargeras's concious - or at least a part of it - which is why Medivh did things like summoning the orcs to Azeroth. As to why; the best I can come up with was Sargeras was biding his time, and attempting to destroy the power of the Gaurdian within Medivh before it became manifest would have been enough to make his pressence known. The power of the Guardian was locked away, and, having no concious like the Sargeras portion of Medivh did, was unable to act on its own accord.
The reaction between Sargeras and the Tirisfalien power can be thought of as matter and anti-mater (with the exception that they didn't destroy each other), being that neither could coexist peacfully with the other - although, eventually, Sargeras managed to overpower Medivh's "better half."
Also, when Medivh died and was resurrected, he said this to Khadgar;Medivh briefly returned to Karazhan, where he interacted with a past version of Khadgar (though it was a future version of Medivh from Khadgar's perspective). He explained to his erstwhile apprentice that with his burial in the past by Khadgar and his current return to life, the good (the Guardian) and the evil (Sargeras) battling within him had been destroyed, and that he was, perhaps for the first time, only Medivh.
Does that mean that at this point he was no longer the Guardian of Tirisfal? And if that is so, how did he still appear before Teneras at Lordaeron as a raven and come before Thrall in his dreams?
As far as I can tell, he was not, but that does not mean that he wasn't powerful. He was, after all, the child of two powerful mages - Niles Aran and Aegewynn. Even without the power of the Gaurdian or Sargeras, I'm sure he could have held his own against a variety of enemies.
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Adamsm
Aegwynn revived Medivh, giving up 90% of her power to do so; but he was brought back as a mortal, and was no longer the Guardian at the time of the Third War, the potential had passed to his son at that point.
Aegwynn also only ever faced off against an Avatar of Sargeras, which was what was in Medivh, till Lothar cut off his head and 'killed' him, sending the copy of the fallen one screaming back into the dark.
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Treskol
Okay that answers all my questions ...for now
Thanks Morec and Adams :)
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