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Post by
Rankkor
I was thinking on the lines of My name is Deathwing the Destroyer. You killed my daughter. Prepare to die.
Quick question about the Ebon Knights - is it okay for them to participate in the Nexus War, or were their efforts solely concentrated on the Lich King?
I don't see why not, most of them were focused on the lich king, but they had other concerns, just look at comander arete, who was dead-set on finishing off the scarlet onslaught.
it's completely normal to see other Death Knights who volunteered to participate in the nexus war, though the nexus war was mostly for mages, the kirin tor accepted the aid of anyone who wanted to help.
Besides, Dark magic is still magic, if malygos wanted to absorb all magic in the world, this would cripple all Dk's acros the world too. No dark magic to maintain them ,and they crumble to dust.
Post by
Orranis
Besides, Dark magic is still magic, if malygos wanted to absorb all magic in the world, this would cripple all Dk's acros the world too. No dark magic to maintain them ,and they crumble to dust.
Not sure about that. Malygos was the master of ARCANE magic, not sure how what he did would pertain to divine magic, i.e. Light/Shadow/Nature magic.
Post by
Skreeran
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Necromancy is Arcane, and possibly Fel. Taknig all the magic would indeed cripple them.
Post by
Orranis
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Necromancy is Arcane, and possibly Fel. Taknig all the magic would indeed cripple them.
I think Necromancy isn't actually a type of magic, but rather something you can do WITH magic. More like a skill set then a school. It's been done with Shadow (i.e. Light's opposite, the Forgotten Shadow) and Fel, so who knows. I like to think of it as depending on who rezzed you (Teron Gorefiend seemed more Fel, for example) and as the new Death-Knight's being mostyl anti-Paladin's I prefer the idea of it as Divine Magic.
Post by
Adamsm
Necromancy is listed in the
Schools.
Post by
Orranis
Necromancy is listed in the
Schools.
Yeah, but it's no so simple, I mean we can see obvious differences between First and Second/Third Generation Death Knights. In my opinion, it makes more sense if 1st would be Arcane (Fel) and 2nd would be Divine (Anti-Light).
Post by
Skreeran
No, don't think so. The Lich King has nothing to do with the Shadow or divine magic. Ner'zhul's power came from Kil'jaeden, after all.
Post by
Orranis
No, don't think so. The Lich King has nothing to do with the Shadow or divine magic. Ner'zhul's power came from Kil'jaeden, after all.
True. I guess it's less corrupted light and more another power that doesn't stack with light :P.
Post by
Adamsm
Obvious differences between a group of undead raised up by a combination of Fel and Necromancy....where do you get that from, as both groups owe their existence to the Legion after all? And most of 5 types are split up among the schools as well.
1st Generation Death Knights; raised up by Fel Necromancy by the Orc warlocks.
2nd Generation Death Knights; forged by Kil'Jaeden, with each new one a 'weaker' copy of the original version.
3rd Generation Death Knights; slain by Frostmourne and revived to be fodder. The 3rd Gen is actually the 'weakest' of them, as they were created solely to be cannon fodder against the Dawn to gain the power of Light's Hope for corruption and to bring back the several thousand bodies that existed there.
Compared to 1st and 2nd Gen, the player DK's are the weakest.
Post by
Rankkor
also to take in consideration is that malygos wasn't just soaking all magic in the world, he intended to collapse the ley lines wich are the "freeway" of magic, its what allows magic to manifest in all corners of the world.
no roads for magic to travel and what you end up with is a world with ZERO magic, be it arcane, divine, or whatever else.
Post by
Skreeran
Obvious differences between a group of undead raised up by a combination of Fel and Necromancy....where do you get that from, as both groups owe their existence to the Legion after all? And most of 5 types are split up among the schools as well.
1st Generation Death Knights; raised up by Fel Necromancy by the Orc warlocks.
2nd Generation Death Knights; forged by Kil'Jaeden, with each new one a 'weaker' copy of the original version.
3rd Generation Death Knights; slain by Frostmourne and revived to be fodder. The 3rd Gen is actually the 'weakest' of them, as they were created solely to be cannon fodder against the Dawn to gain the power of Light's Hope for corruption and to bring back the several thousand bodies that existed there.
Compared to 1st and 2nd Gen, the player DK's are the weakest.I don't know, Darion was 3rd Gen, and he's the baddest ass DK "alive." Crok Scourgebane wasn't no pansy either.
Post by
Monday
However, the player DK's have the advantage of being lead by not only Darion Mograine (possibly the most powerful DK in existence), but resources that the other Death Knight's didn't have (e.g. runic weapons. The 1st gen relied solely on magic, which didn't work well against Turalyon =P ).
Also, what are these second generation DK's from?
Post by
Adamsm
Eh, I think Darion was one of the last of the 2nd Gen, same as the other 'quest givers' in the Hold.
Also, what are these second generation DK's from?Arthas and those raised up by him; Thassarian, Koltira, and the others like them, those who were raised up during the 3rd war.
Post by
Monday
Ah. So First Gen were orcs, Second were 3rd war and 3rd were Ebon Blade.
I see.
Post by
Skreeran
Meh, I don't think there actually was any distinction between the 2nd and the so-called" 3rd.
Personally, I suspect that the Acherus DKs are more or less the same as any other Scourge Death Knights, they just happened to be deployed to New Avalon and then Light's Hope.
The way I see it is this:
Arthas is continually stocking up on Death Knights. Arthas decides on a plan to lure out Tirion, the Ashbringer, and crush the Argent Dawn at Light's Hope. He says "Hey, I've got a few hundred extra Death Knights on hand. I'll use them."
So he puts them in Acherus and sends them on their way. The player seems newly awakened, but a lot of them, like Rivendare, Darion, Thorval, Thassarian, Koltira, and so on have been operating for much longer. It just makes more sense to me for Arthas to have an excess of 2nd Gen DKs that he can sacrifice than for him to have been planning a suicide attack against Light's Hope for long enough to raise a whole generation of DKs, especially given what we observe. Crok Scourgebane bested Sister Svalna.
Post by
Adamsm
Eh, not sure about that; a lot of those raised up as G3 were part of the Scourge invasions, and the original failed assaults against Naxx(where Darion was technically picked up); and Darion himself was probably conditioned by KT just like his father had been. The Lich King says that he doesn't care about those he had raised, and they were fodder to be used against the Dawn; the fact that so many of them 'escaped' just came back to bite him on the arse, and of course, his ex-top commanders(well some of them) turning on the Scourge as well, helping to create the Blade.....which again, is another irony.
Post by
Orranis
Obvious differences between a group of undead raised up by a combination of Fel and Necromancy....where do you get that from, as both groups owe their existence to the Legion after all? And most of 5 types are split up among the schools as well.
1st Generation Death Knights; raised up by Fel Necromancy by the Orc warlocks.
2nd Generation Death Knights; forged by Kil'Jaeden, with each new one a 'weaker' copy of the original version.
3rd Generation Death Knights; slain by Frostmourne and revived to be fodder. The 3rd Gen is actually the 'weakest' of them, as they were created solely to be cannon fodder against the Dawn to gain the power of Light's Hope for corruption and to bring back the several thousand bodies that existed there.
Compared to 1st and 2nd Gen, the player DK's are the weakest.I don't know, Darion was 3rd Gen, and he's the baddest ass DK "alive." Crok Scourgebane wasn't no pansy either.
I agree with you in that 2nd and 3rd Gen DK's are essentially the same thing at different times, isn't Darion technically 2nd generation as he was rezzed in the Third War? Or was he? Can't really remember.
Post by
Orranis
Eh, not sure about that; a lot of those raised up as G3 were part of the Scourge invasions, and the original failed assaults against Naxx(where Darion was technically picked up); and Darion himself was probably conditioned by KT just like his father had been. The Lich King says that he doesn't care about those he had raised, and they were fodder to be used against the Dawn; the fact that so many of them 'escaped' just came back to bite him on the arse, and of course, his ex-top commanders(well some of them) turning on the Scourge as well, helping to create the Blade.....which again, is another irony.
If he didn't care why would he have brought along Koltira and Thassarian and Mograine? Seem a little more then Fodder their.
Post by
Monday
Obvious differences between a group of undead raised up by a combination of Fel and Necromancy....where do you get that from, as both groups owe their existence to the Legion after all? And most of 5 types are split up among the schools as well.
1st Generation Death Knights; raised up by Fel Necromancy by the Orc warlocks.
2nd Generation Death Knights; forged by Kil'Jaeden, with each new one a 'weaker' copy of the original version.
3rd Generation Death Knights; slain by Frostmourne and revived to be fodder. The 3rd Gen is actually the 'weakest' of them, as they were created solely to be cannon fodder against the Dawn to gain the power of Light's Hope for corruption and to bring back the several thousand bodies that existed there.
Compared to 1st and 2nd Gen, the player DK's are the weakest.I don't know, Darion was 3rd Gen, and he's the baddest ass DK "alive." Crok Scourgebane wasn't no pansy either.
I agree with you in that 2nd and 3rd Gen DK's are essentially the same thing at different times, isn't Darion technically 2nd generation as he was rezzed in the Third War? Or was he? Can't really remember.
Darion was killed in the Naxx era and rezzed then.
Post by
Skreeran
Darion was killed in the Naxx era and rezzed then.Not quite, WoW Naxx isn't canon. Remember, Darion went after Naxx shortly after the Argent Dawn was formed.
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