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GVHB
Gann Stonespire is the one who destroy Bael Modan (with our help ofc) but he was working apart from the Horde. I don't think his actions will be well seen by the rest of the Tauren race.
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Monday
Gann Stonespire is the one who destroy Bael Modan (with our help ofc) but he was working a part from the Horde. I don't think his actions will be well seen by the rest of the Tauren race.
Aye, I was just about to link that. I thought I hadn't posted that post yet, but turns out it was under edit the entire time =/
The quests I am talking about are
this
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this
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Post by
GVHB
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26399010284&pageNo=4&sid=2000#67
As I've said before, eyes are very intentionally open. This is, in fact, part of the fiction and will be explained in one of our upcoming novels as well as a future event in game.
If it suits you, feel free to RP going CRAZY INSANE after looking into her eyes in Hyjal.
Wonder which will be the explanation for her open eyes.
Post by
Septimus
Spoilers.
More like explanations.
Post by
GVHB
*Spoiler*
A new member of the Twilight Council
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Post by
Skreeran
*Spoiler*
A new member of the Twilight Council
.New voice actor ftw! :D
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229054
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Post by
GVHB
Blizzard is transforming all the secondary faction leaders that had done nothing since they have been introduced in the game into twilight cultists. Wonder who will be the next.
Post by
Rankkor
*Spoiler*
A new member of the Twilight Council
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SPOILER
well it doesn't really surprises me, everyone knew he was Kael'thas' little boot-licker, even before that patch in TBC.
it doesn't surprise me then, that he has chosen to be on the side of a mad-man once more; what did surprised me was Benedictus' treason, as that guy was the personal disciple of Alonsus Faol, the very public face of the largest holiest religious organization on azeroth and unlike Rommath, good'ol Benedictus never displayed any sign of corruption.
it seems that both factions have their share of Twillight infiltrators, both at the highest and lowest places of power.
I do hope that with Rommath's departure, Liandrin can be brought in as the new member of the Silvermoon Council. (it would make more sence if Lorthemar departs too, and rather than having a king, Silvermoon is ruled by a Triunvirate of representatives from the largest organizations in power, AKA a Farstrider, a Magister/Magistrix, and a Blood Knight)
as for that link from Septimus, ohh man D-wing is voiced by metzen too? =( don't get me wrong, his voice is awesome, but it's starting to become too omni-present for my own taste, let's hope they at least pick up a diferent actor for Nefarian and Ragnaros (as those 2 were voiced by metzen in vainilla)
Also, this is the alliance version (wich was more of a shocker to me, as I REALLY didn't saw this comming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xMwtDm6wuQ
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Rankkor
Blizzard is transforming all the secondary faction leaders that had done nothing since they have been introduced in the game into twilight cultists. Wonder who will be the next.
well, let's see:
from the Tauren there's Magtha.
From the Dwarves, there's the chance that Moira (ya know being the concubine of a MAD MAN) could be swayed into the twillight ( whoa that sounds so wrong xD)
From the Night elves, I'd say Fandral, and it would had made sence, but he's been taken care of already.
From the Gnomes, well it's not a "leader" but it is a prominent figure still: Millhouse Manastorm.
From the Draenei: gee I dunno, there's so few Draenei of prominence, pretty much only Velen and Maraad.
From the orcs I can't think of anyone. (well, that's not true, there's Neeru Fireblade whom we KNOW it's a sleeper agent of the Shadow Council.)
From the Trolls: no idea whatsoever
From the Forsaken: so many people, so little time to name them all xD, it would be shorter to just name who wound't be a member xD
can't say from the worgens and goblins, seeing as these 2 are new races and all that.
Post by
Adamsm
MaraadWon't happen, not after all the effort Blizzard went through with the comics.... of course, that's if there will be any Draenei in the Hammer at all; I really doubt it, between the Draenei getting nothing, and the idea of any Azeroth Draenei trying to bring about the end of the world.
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Rankkor
MaraadWon't happen, not after all the effort Blizzard went through with the comics.... of course, that's if there will be any Draenei in the Hammer at all; I really doubt it, between the Draenei getting nothing, and the idea of any Azeroth Draenei trying to bring about the end of the world.
ejem ;P I only mentioned Maraad because he and velen are the ONLY draenei of prominence, but neither is a proper candidate for the twillight, Velen is their main lead, it woudn't be fair if the only member of the 3 eredar leads who remained uncorrupted by the legion, suddenly falls for a group of fanatics that don't have even a shred of the power that the legion comands.
and as for maraad, well you said it yourself (and I agree) after all the effort put into him, it would make no sence to suddenly remove him.
that being said, the second part of your post........
that's if there will be any Draenei in the Hammer at all; I really doubt it, between the Draenei getting nothing, and the idea of any Azeroth Draenei trying to bring about the end of the world
unless they are a mary sue race, EVERYONE is prone to corruption, that's the thing that makes the hammer so scary, they truly get to everyone, no race is pure enough to resist their corruption, and there ARE bad draenei already, from the auchidoun guys, the draenei in the Wyrmcult (wich worships Deathwing who is the new god of the twillight) and even the cult of the damned has draenei on it.
you can see several Ebon Blade Knights that are draenei, and multiple scourge draenei (some dead, some living draenei who joined cuz they wanted power)
so it's not so crazy to think that the hammer will have draenei on it. Heck if taurens and night elves are on it, you can bet there will be draenei on it, and no, the Twillight taurens aren't necesarily Grimtotems, if you check the twillight cultists in the Old Kingdom, they have taurens who aren't grimtotems.
so if even the non-grimtotem taurens (who happen to be one of the most pacifist, pure, holy races in azeroth) have sucumbed, is there any real reason they draenei cant?
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Adamsm
Primarily because the Draenei are already part of a race that descended into self-destruction; 2/3rds of the race became the Big Bads after all. I'm not saying they can't be corrupted, but I am saying that they wouldn't be part of a group designed to destroy the world and all existence; even those who were part of Cult of the Damned were more to have all races as part of it then anything else, but unlike the rest they don't give a real reason for them being there.
The Ebon Blade draenei make sense; Draenei adventures would have died in the Plaguelands and been picked up for the mass raise as the new Death Knights for the 3rd generation. Scourge.... everyone can be a Scourge after all.
Again, not saying they can't be corrupted... but considering what we know of the draenei and what happens to them in corruption, suddenly becoming a group that worships the end of the world just seems strange.
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Adamsm
See, I don't see it exactly like that; from what they've said about both versions of the Twilight Hammer; the original Orc/Ogre clan and the Vanilla version of it, the Cult is about destroying everything, and being more or less insane on your own, no corruption needed. So the idea of some of those revealed; such as Milhouse, isn't that big of a shocker, the gnome was already insane after all when he pops out of the prison.... and was probably why he was locked up in the first place(he was on a prison ship after all). That's why I want to know more about the Archbishop's sudden change: is he an original end of the world cultist or was he transformed later?
I mean, yeah sure, it's fun to say that the Old Gods are behind everything.... but the Twilight cult originally was formed out of the remnants of orc clan that expanded. Yes, they began gathering at places where the Old Gods were seen, but they believed in the original version of the myths about Them: The Old Gods ruled old Azeroth as a place of Chaos and Destruction, where Order had no place....they didn't meet actual Old Gods and their Avatars till the Second War of the Shifting Sand, when the Qarji returned to the surface and Yogg's taint began to spread more noticeably.
Post by
Skreeran
I imagine that the Archbishop has been a doomsday cultist for a very long time, and it's certainly possible that there are cults that the Twilight's Hammer has assimilated that predate the Orcish invasion.
As for the Draenei, it's important to remember that it's possible that there are Draenei that have become disillusioned with Velen's ways since they first left with him. Think of it like this: They were friends of a friend of Velen and believed when they heard that Sargeras was bad news. However, they didn't sign up for the whole 'pursued for eternity' thing, and especially after the Orc genocide have come to believe that Velen is too soft/is a poor leader/doesn't know what is best. Those thoughts can be preyed upon by these cults. A Draenei is ranting to a friend about how Velen got his family killed by the orcs with his pacifism and then his friend mentions that he has some friends who know what he feels like and can help... And so on...
It's also worth mentioning that while all the original Draenei made a conscious choice to resist corruption and choose purity, the vast majority of the race chose to join Sargeras for the chance at power. So what about the Draenei children born after the exodus? They didn't make the same choice, and I could definitely see them taking the same choice as the majority of their race did.
Heck, mix A and B and you get a Draenei born after the exodus who didn't even get to choose whether or not the Legion hunted his race, and then saw his family killed by the orcs, and is now completely disillusioned with Velen's cause.
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