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Post by
Adamsm
An organization exists of both live and undead vyrkul.
Ymirjar
Not a type, but an organization of frost vrykul loyal to the Lich King. They are the winners of the challenge to "ascend" at Jotunheim, but for some reason has vargul members. Group name, not an actual type; counts as males, females and vargual.
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The Ymirjar are the elite warrior caste of the Lich King, the victorious vrykul in the battle of ascendance at Jotunheim. They inhabit the city of Ymirheim in the center of Icecrown.
They are made up of the frost vrykul and vargul races, the latter seems to be the losers of the battle for ascendance. It is unknown why they are allowed to be in this group, but may have the role of servants.
Adding to the confusion, some members are normal vrykul, some are classified as humanoid, and Kreug Oathbreaker is a flesh giant.
It is possible that the term "Ymirjar" was applied to things that were not Ymirjar due to time and/or development constraints.
So, yes, there are corpses among the ranks of them. But think about this.... Sylvanas is a Corpse, why would she have her own personal reanimators bring back anyone as a living being, as she hates the living; that would be like Deathwing having tea with any flight but Black or Twilight, just doesn't happen.
Post by
Rankkor
But think about this.... Sylvanas is a Corpse, why would she have her own personal reanimators bring back anyone as a living being, as she hates the living
ok several points:
A: she doesn't hate the living (at least not ALL of the living) if she did she woudn't had joined the horde, nor would she had fought so hard to bring silvermoon to the horde. She also breaks down to tears when she remembers her sisters.
B: I never said anything about wheter or not Sylvanas would order the val'kyr to rezz someone as a living being, I said that Val'kyrs CAN rezz (if they want to) someone as a living being.
the fact that so many of the ymijar are living kinda shows it.
Post by
Adamsm
A: she doesn't hate the living (at least not ALL of the living) if she did she woudn't had joined the horde, nor would she had fought so hard to bring silvermoon to the horde. She also breaks down to tears when she remembers her sisters.She was responsible for creating a weapon designed to kill both the living and the dead.... and the thing affects humans, orcs, the scourge and others; why, oh why, would it affect orcs if she wasn't plotting something about them..... And the blood elf addition was more to strengthen her own position on the Eastern Kingdoms. Also, I think she's breaking down more to remember her living life then her sisters; seeing as more then likely both Alleria and Vereesa would try to kill her: Ax-Crazy sister on the one hand and the Blood elf hater on the other.
B: I never said anything about wheter or not Sylvanas would order the val'kyr to rezz someone as a living being, I said that Val'kyrs CAN rezz (if they want to) someone as a living being.
the fact that so many of the ymijar are living kinda shows it.Except they didn't do it because they 'wanted' to... they did it because of orders of the Lich King; he wanted the strongest of the Vrykul possible as part of his armies. I don't think the actual Val'kyr give a flying crap about anyone who's not their leader, considering the way they treat vrykul all across Northrend.
Post by
Adamsm
You know, reading the new info about Southern Barrens.... seems like Alliance took more then was originally thought...
Q. What was the original concept for the zone?
A. The Barrens is one of the areas of Kalimdor hardest-hit by the Cataclysm. It has literally been ripped in two! The Northern Barrens retains much of the feel of the original zone and fulfills a similar gameplay purpose: it's primarily a training ground for low-level Horde characters. That gave us enormous freedom to create a whole new gameplay experience for the Southern Barrens. In the wake of the Cataclysm, the Alliance has been aggressively expanding into the heart of the continent from the east coast. As players enter the zone, they'll find that the Horde is really up against the ropes. The escalating conflict between the two rival factions is front and center here, providing a backdrop for much of the area's quests.
Q. Without giving up any spoilers, what's the general storyline for this zone? How has it changed from the original design?
A. "An eye for an eye" is the theme, with each side taking and losing ground, descending deeper and deeper into violent conflict. From the Horde perspective, players will learn the grim fate of Camp Taurajo and Honor's Stand. It's then up to the players to rally their faction's disorganized forces, initiate a change in local leadership, and avenge the sacking of Taurajo. The Alliance, meanwhile, struggles to hold on to recent gains, fending off attacks from all fronts. Players will also fight to save Northwatch Hold from the brink of capture and keep the roadways from Theramore open. Additionally, both factions have to deal with the explosive growth of a strange new jungle spreading across the Barrens. This is all entirely new content for the expansion.
Q. What do you think is the most exciting new addition to or feature of the zone?
A. Definitely the Alliance/Horde conflict, which really comes alive in the Southern Barrens. We tried to give players the feeling of participating in large PvP-style conflicts, even if they're playing solo. Alliance and Horde members will struggle to capture and defend key points of the battlefield against waves of enemy troops. New technology will allow players to experience the story in ways they never could have prior to Cataclysm. For example, the Horde assault on the fortress at Bael Modan, and its aftermath, should really pull players into the action by showing dramatic changes in the world.
Q. What goes into redesigning a zone like this?
A. The Southern Barrens was a complete rework, so we really started from scratch, identifying the key areas of contention and then building a short storyline around each one. To accentuate the conflict, battles continually rage in hot spots around the zone. Finally, we put together a quest structure that throws players into the thick of those engagements. We invested a lot of effort into infusing the right emotions into the zone. If you're a Horde player, for instance, we want you to be completely outraged by what happened at Taurajo!
Q. So what has happened at Camp Taurajo? It appears to be in ruins.
A. That depends on whom you ask! Alliance players can speak to General Hawthorne at Forward Command and discover his reasoning for removing Taurajo from the Horde arsenal. On the other hand, if you speak to the various Horde leaders at Hunter's Hill, Camp Una'fe, or Vendetta Point, you'll hear a very different version of events. We suspect that debate over the ethics of this one will rage for some time.
Q. What should players do or go see first?
A. Alliance players will definitely want to get to Northwatch Hold as soon as possible: it's about to fall to the Horde! Likewise, Horde players should check out the utter devastation at Taurajo. Someone... has got... to pay.
Q. Why is the Great Gate barring entry to and from the Barrens and Mulgore?
A. The Horde built the Great Gate in reaction to Alliance aggression from Dustwallow Marsh, including the construction of a highway running from Theramore straight to the Barrens. The gate was finished just in time: Alliance forces had penetrated all the way to the entrance of Mulgore, and the gate slowed them down long enough for the Horde to rally and launch a counterattack (with the player's help, of course!).
Q. Will you explain a bit about the emergence of the Overgrowth and the new Horde Camp Una'fe?
A. Players may be familiar with the story of Naralex, the ambitious druid who tried to reinvigorate the springs of the Wailing Caverns to return the Barrens to the lush expanse that it once was. His story continues in the Southern Barrens as he tries to contain and cope with the unintended consequences of his near-fatal exposure to the Emerald Nightmare. The uncontrolled growth in this part of the Barrens threatens the Alliance and the Horde alike. Teegan's Expedition in the east is stymied in its attempts to get Alliance supplies to the front, while at Camp Una'fe to the west, Taurajo's survivors find themselves overwhelmed as well.
Q. What are the Alliance forces at Forward Command and Fort Triumph and the Horde forces at Desolation Hold hoping to accomplish in the Southern Barrens by vying for control of the Battlescar?
A. Geography defines the conflict here. The Battlescar sits in the middle of a narrow pass, a natural bottleneck. The Alliance needs to blast its way through here in order to maintain an overland link between Theramore and Northwatch Hold, not to mention a route into the Stonetalon Mountains, where the Alliance can lend aid to its allies. If the Horde can seal off this pass, then Theramore will essentially be isolated. The conflict comes to a head in the Battlescar... and the future of Kalimdor may hinge on the outcome.
Post by
Monday
Huh, the Night Elf thing is pretty crazy (yes I'm late, blah blah blah.)
Something else however, do you know what the repercussions are from the quest? If not, I suggest you stop talking. We only know that the Horde nuking Stonetalon quest isn't the worst because we know the repercussions (Garrosh killing the commander).
However, do we know how the rest of the Night Elves respond to that?
Chew on that for awhile.
Post by
Adamsm
It's not that crazy; the only thing we don't know about it is if the Night Elves get the same deal as Garrosh, but attacking trolls on Night Elf lands is a standard thing for the pointy eared race after all, this isn't out of character for them.
Post by
Rankkor
Except they didn't do it because they 'wanted' to... they did it because of orders of the Lich King; he wanted the strongest of the Vrykul possible as part of his armies. I don't think the actual Val'kyr give a flying crap about anyone who's not their leader, considering the way they treat vrykul all across Northrend.
again dude, that's not my point, whether they want to or not, whether sylvannas wants to or not it's irrelevant.
they CAN doit.
wheter they want to or not has nothing to do with it, IF they wanted to, (or were ordered to) they could resurrect someone as a living being once more.
several of the resurected Ymijar are still alive after all.
Post by
Adamsm
Except they didn't do it because they 'wanted' to... they did it because of orders of the Lich King; he wanted the strongest of the Vrykul possible as part of his armies. I don't think the actual Val'kyr give a flying crap about anyone who's not their leader, considering the way they treat vrykul all across Northrend.
again dude, that's not my point, whether they want to or not, whether sylvannas wants to or not it's irrelevant.
they CAN doit.
wheter they want to or not has nothing to do with it, IF they wanted to, (or were ordered to) they could resurrect someone as a living being once more.
several of the resurected Ymijar are still alive after all.
It is relevant; if he wanted to, Tirion could walk into the Undercity, and with one swing of the Ashbringer, wipe out the entire Undead race in one move... but he wouldn't because that's out of character for him. And if they do... I doubt the person will come back right; also, don't forget, when they do the whole Ascend thing, the creature in question is already alive, they are increasing their power and abilities after all.... but when they do the Vargual descent, they murder the Vrykul first and then bring them back. They are not the 'cure of undeath' as they are corrupted creatures themselves, who would not resurrect someone back to 'true' life unless it was meant to be used as something vile.
Post by
Rankkor
Something else however, do you know what the repercussions are from the quest? If not, I suggest you stop talking
U_U why the hostile tone? we're pals remember?
We only know that the Horde nuking Stonetalon quest isn't the worst because we know the repercussions (Garrosh killing the commander).
yhea, but there are other horde actions in cataclysm that go without a punishment (andorhal, southshore, gilneas)
However, do we know how the rest of the Night Elves respond to that?
no, but we're working with the information we have, and untill futher proof is discovered, we can only assume that they get off the hook with not a single scratch (considering they even used TREATNS, weapons of nature to do the deed)
same goes for Sylvanas, I'd love to believe that at some point she is made to pay for her crimes, but untill we actually get info relevant to the issue we can only assume she gets off the hook.
Garrosh disbands Krom'gars army and executes krom'gar for killing civilians, but as of yet, we have seen no info of the elves responsible for this massacre being made to pay for their crimes.
and considering the Xenophobic nature of elves towards the trolls, I think they won't do squat about it, for them killing trolls is like killing roaches.
also funden, a bit off-topic here:
I love your sig xD Zeratul=best blizzard character EVER!
but you left the best part out of that quote =(
here's the full quote
You speak of knowledge, Judicator? You speak of experience? I have journeyed through the darkness between the most distant stars. I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...
Unto my experience, Aldaris, all that you've built here on Aiur is but a fleeting dream. A dream from which your precious Conclave shall awaken, finding themselves drowned in a greater
nightmare
Post by
Adamsm
there are other horde actions in cataclysm that go without a punishment (andorhal, southshore, gilneas)Heh, yeah, and think who's in command of all of that.....
Post by
Monday
also funden, a bit off-topic here:
I love your sig xD Zeratul=best blizzard character EVER!
but you left the best part out of that quote =(
here's the full quote
I couldn't fit it all in, so I chose the most depressing part =P
U_U why the hostile tone? we're pals remember?
That was directed as Skree actually, with all the "Screw night elves eff them" etc. I don't like being angry with you, you're too cool =D
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Post by
Rankkor
Also, &*!@ the Night Elves, but only because they exist. They're the prime reason I didn't even bother playing Warcraft 3.
I beg to differ, back on War3 they were THE most awesome race ever to have been made.
their fall from grace ever since WoW is one of the core aspects of WoW that I hate, they basically killed one of my favorite races.
Post by
Skreeran
That was directed as Skree actually, with all the "Screw night elves eff them" etc. I don't like being angry with you, you're too cool =DIf Malfurion comes down and starts raising some hell for the Night Elves responsible, he and I will be cool. (I doubt it, honestly. No one's had a problem with randomly killing trolls since WoW's beginning, especially not the Night Elves.)
Until then, the Night Elves killed most if not all of my favorite troll tribe, and that pisseth me off.
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Post by
Adamsm
Well crap.
Post by
Rankkor
Well crap.
=O and this is the part were we say:
ohhh my gawwwwd............
>=(
Post by
Skreeran
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard set up something to make up for it.
Think about it like this, how easy would it be to deliver Bolvar's shield to Varian or Saurfang's collar to Saurfang and have them say: "Yes, what happened at the Wrathgate was terrible... We fought the betrayers back that day... If you want to see it for yourself, just take this portal to the Caverns of Time in Tanaris."
Hell, with a little claver phrasing, they could show the whole thing as an interactive flashback, like the one where you play as Death Knight Arthas and slaughter your troops/fight Illidan.
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