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Adamsm
Is posession stable enough to be permanent anyways? With the exception of Sylvanas' case as there weren't any spirits to fight her domination and... it was already her body, I mean.
It was for the mission where you possess three of the leaders of the ogres, gnolls and humans; they didn't try to break free after all.
Post by
Skreeran
(though lore-wise paladins should be inmune to the stuff, wich makes the death of crusader brindenbrad quite stupid)That's New Improved Plague Plus+™.
When all the paladins survived Plague Mk I, it's generally believed that the Lich King has spent his time up in Northrend making it work on them.
Not really, and even Kael was brought back to life with necromancy. Maybe the Mechanognomes, but that's probably it.I don't think it was necromancy.
I think we just didn't do the job right.
Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: Your monkeys failed to finish the job, naaru! Beaten but alive... The same mistake was not made when we took command of your vessel.
Kind of like your "Horde won AV" argument?No one won AV, that we know of. We know that Drek'thar is still alive, and there's no reason for us to assume Stormpike is dead.
As I like to believe, there's more than just one valley in Alterac, and there's more than one basin in Arathi, and more than one gluch in Ashenvale... et cetera...
If the Alliance takes one valley, the Horde retreats to another camp and fights again.
Post by
Monday
No one won AV, that we know of. We know that Drek'thar is still alive, and there's no reason for us to assume Stormpike is dead.
As I like to believe, there's more than just one valley in Alterac, and there's more than one basin in Arathi, and more than one gluch in Ashenvale... et cetera...
If the Alliance takes one valley, the Horde retreats to another camp and fights again.
Exactly. Rank kept saying earlier that Horde won AV because you can see Drek outside of AV. He assumed that they won and then paraded it as fact, and then berated others for assuming, which is why I posted that.
Edit:
Post if you want to read it.
Basically Rank, you were assuming right there with no hard evidence and then berated darkton for assuming things.
Post by
Joemaster240
Question: Alright well according to wowwiki when the High elves came over they abandoned elune and embraced the sun instead, from this would one be able to assume that they changed there belief and changed there former goddess from the moon to the sun and renamed her something that is lost to history? Or were the High Elves mostly Secular for thousands of years?
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Monday
Question: Alright well according to wowwiki when the High elves came over they abandoned elune and embraced the sun instead, from this would one be able to assume that they changed there belief and changed there former goddess from the moon to the sun and renamed her something that is lost to history? Or were the High Elves mostly Secular for thousands of years?
I assume they were mostly secular, although they did worship the Holy Light.
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Joemaster240
Question: Alright well according to wowwiki when the High elves came over they abandoned elune and embraced the sun instead, from this would one be able to assume that they changed there belief and changed there former goddess from the moon to the sun and renamed her something that is lost to history? Or were the High Elves mostly Secular for thousands of years?
I assume they were mostly secular, although they did worship the Holy Light.
I think it's only recently, as of maybe after the second war, that they began worshiping the holy light, though i could be wrong.
Post by
Adamsm
I think they picked up the Holy Light in the last 4000 years, after the Troll Wars.
Post by
Joemaster240
ah...but were they secular before that or did they worship the sun?
Post by
Adamsm
I don't think they've ever worshiped the Sun; they went from nocturnal to diurnal to prove a point: to remove themselves from as far as the Kaledori as they possibly could, aka staying awake during the day and not at night.
Post by
Joemaster240
okay....so they simply dropped religion till they picked up the holy light then?
Post by
Monday
okay....so they simply dropped religion till they picked up the holy light then?
The only religion they knew was Elune, and they sure as heck weren't worshiping her.
Post by
Joemaster240
yeah but my question was that if they may have changed elune and converted it to a totally difefrent religion based on sun worship rather then moon worship
Post by
Adamsm
yeah but my question was that if they may have changed elune and converted it to a totally difefrent religion based on sun worship rather then moon worship
No; the most they had was the daily rituals to the Sunwell itself, which mimic what the Highborne did with the Well of Eternity.
Post by
Joemaster240
ah kk thank you.
Post by
Rankkor
The Forsaken refer to underestimating the Alliance earlier, the Alliance ships are far away and would have to have been attacked by plan, Anselm says he will attack the Alliance where ever he sees them, the Forsaken never mention once that the Alliance originaly attacked them, and the marines are in to proper condition to fight.
There is
indirect
proof that the Forsaken started the fight everywhere.
You don't need solid proof
to know that,
its something we can assume
that's the thing.....
indirect evidence (wich is subject to interpretation by the point of view) is USELESS, you DO NEED SOLID PROOF. and NOTHING IN A DISCUSSION CAN BE ASSUMED.
what you listed there is your PERSONAL point of view of the situation with nothing solid to back it up.
on a discussion nothing is to be assumed "cuz is common sence".
that's not how a proper discussion works.
Kind of like your "Horde won AV" argument?
that was a theory, and if you review again my answers there, u'll see that after the rest confronted me about the abysmall lack of evidence on it, I admitted that there was no real proof of it, and droped the issue.
Basically Rank, you were assuming right there with no hard evidence and then berated darkton for assuming things.
it was the other way arround, I was asuming with little evidence that vandar was dead, darkton confronted me that there was no real evidence, and if you read the post, I admited eventually that indeed, not enough data was avaliable to continue saying that the horde won AV, and that vandar was dead.
in the end, I did changed my mind, and admited that I was wrong.
this is something darkton has refused to do here, with lack of evidence he continues to assume stuff, and refuses to believe anything else.
here is a quote of myself on that post funden.
=/ sadly darkton this is one of those cases where
there's no proof to link
, just as you can't prove the frostwolves lost (as there's no proof of that)
i can't prove the stormpikes lost
(as there's no proof of that)
this is one of those cases of "who could had won" where only logic and speculation can be used.
only hard fact avaliable about BG's is that they only happened once in lore, unlike in-game where they have been going on for 5 years.
but as to who won, that is left for interpretation.
nothing more.
Post by
Monday
My bad, I forgot to read ahead.
Post by
Rankkor
My bad, I forgot to read ahead.
no probs, I have no problem with stubborn people (as I'm quite stubborn myself too) but what I have a problem with, is people who think they are right 100% all the time, and utterly completely refuse to admit that they are wrong even when all evidence point towards it. (I dunno, people like that reminds me of my mother-in-law......... **shrugs** who also does the same)
In that post I said that the stormpikes had lost, and that vandar was dead, and I said it with little to no evidence, most of what I said was speculation and indirect proof, but when the rest of the forums confronted me (it was adams, darkton, and yourself, and hivoltage) did I became a stubborn mule and refuse to admit that I was wrong?
nope, I simply said that indeed, I had no REAL evidence of what I was talking about and admited to be wrong.
in this particular case, there really isn't a single shred of evidence as to who started that naval battle, but so far, darkton has refused to admit that. he insists that the alliance was the poor victim that the forsakens (and anselm in particular) are bastards for killing them in the first place.
Post by
Monday
My bad, I forgot to read ahead.
no probs, I have no problem with stubborn people (as I'm quite stubborn myself too) but what I have a problem with, is people who think they are right 100% all the time, and utterly completely refuse to admit that they are wrong even when all evidence point towards it. (I dunno, people like that reminds me of my mother-in-law......... **shrugs** who also does the same)
In that post I said that the stormpikes had lost, and that vandar was dead, and I said it with little to no evidence, most of what I said was speculation and indirect proof, but when the rest of the forums confronted me (it was adams, darkton, and yourself, and hivoltage) did I became a stubborn mule and refuse to admit that I was wrong?
nope, I simply said that indeed, I had no REAL evidence of what I was talking about and admited to be wrong.
in this particular case, there really isn't a single shred of evidence as to who started that naval battle, but so far, darkton has refused to admit that. he insists that the alliance was the poor victim that the forsakens (and anselm in particular) are bastards for killing them in the first place.
Aye.
That also reminds me of my mother...
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