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Post by
Adamsm
Like I said here
; it's all about the writer, Golden made the story believable for what Thrall is. And I don't know about that; Luke is a major Sue in some of the books, pulling off moves he could never preform, Aragon is more or less the Sue test taken to the extreme, the only one who's not is Potter, because Rowling wrote it that way; to keep him 'human' and semi-normal.
Edit:
people didn't just followed thrall "just because" , several valid factors made that happen, Unlike Rhonin for example who was leading the army of the night elves, just because "his fiery hair and is alluring orbs of beuty were surpased only by his awesomeness".Rhonin was the leader of the Night Mages at most, not the army, that was all Krasus and Mal.
Post by
Joemaster240
Another thing that seems a bit sueish to me is how fast he learns shamanishm...back in the old days of orc culture it took YEARS of training and discipline to learn it....he walkes in and is there for a few months and INSTANTLY masters it.
Post by
Monday
Another thing that seems a bit sueish to me is how fast he learns shamanishm...back in the old days of orc culture it took YEARS of training and discipline to learn it....he walkes in and is there for a few months and INSTANTLY masters it.
He IS the most powerful Shaman ever acknowledged though.
Post by
Joemaster240
Another thing that seems a bit sueish to me is how fast he learns shamanishm...back in the old days of orc culture it took YEARS of training and discipline to learn it....he walkes in and is there for a few months and INSTANTLY masters it.
He IS the most powerful Shaman ever acknowledged though.
still to be the best one must train long and hard....and he didn't....it was simply given to him.
Post by
Rankkor
Another thing that seems a bit sueish to me is how fast he learns shamanishm...back in the old days of orc culture it took YEARS of training and discipline to learn it....he walkes in and is there for a few months and INSTANTLY masters it.
a small correction here.
it took years because orcs started training at shamanism at a young age, thrall was already an adult when he began training, thrall still needed months to learn how to be a shaman and he didn't "mastered it".
in fact Drek'thar had more experience in shamanism than thrall.
understand that shamanism isn't like the other magical arts, if you wish to be a mage for example you have to bust your ass studying, practice, and all that stuff.
to be a powerfull shaman, all you need is for the elements to like you, because as a shaman you never "conjure" any elements, you simply tell them "hey please gimme a hand here" and if they like you, and deem your cause just they do so. The intensity by wich they do so depends on how much they like you and how needed the help is.
orcs were on the verge of extintion, and the elements who care for the balance of the world weren't about to let that happen, so they answered to the call of thrall because they chose him.
is not any diferent than nobundo who knew next to nothing about shamanisma and self-taught himself all there is to know about shamanism in just a few months too.
being a shaman is unlike being a mage or priest or warlock or druid. A shaman is not a caster, is a medium between elements and the world and since the elements have a mind of their own, it's up to them to judge when and how to help you when you ask it of them.
Post by
Adamsm
Another thing that seems a bit sueish to me is how fast he learns shamanishm...back in the old days of orc culture it took YEARS of training and discipline to learn it....he walkes in and is there for a few months and INSTANTLY masters it.
He IS the most powerful Shaman ever acknowledged though.
still to be the best one must train long and hard....and he didn't....it was simply given to him.
I do find that sorta amusing... Thrall who's been practicing for maybe 10-15 years at best, is suppose to be stronger then Nobundo, who's been going for 20+, as well as learning to add the Elements themselves to his people, where Thrall was relearning what was there.... not to mention, they still haven't explained how Drek'thar got back his own abilities.
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Post by
Monday
not to mention, they still haven't explained how Drek'thar got back his own abilities.
'Sorry guys!1!'
'No harm man, we still love you'
Anyway, Thrall isn't the only person that is clearly above the average. Arthas and Jaina are two to name a few.
And both have been studying their various paths for about likely 20-22+ years each.
Post by
Skreeran
Point is: Thrall's not a sue.
The main reason I don't consider him a sue is because he is part of the foundation of Warcraft.
Luke Skywalker is part of the foundation of the Star War trilogy, and that's why he is the son of a Jedi, finds an old Jedi teacher living practically within walking distance, and becomes a jedi master in just a few years.
Harry Potter is the main character of the Harry Potter series (which I have admittedly not read), which is why he is one of the most powerful characters in the series, has an unusual history, and generally saves the day.
Aragorn is one of the main characters of the Lord of the Rings, and that's why he gets to be the heir of Isildur, the bearer of Anduril, gets to marry an elf, and generally does awesome stuff. (And don't you open your mouth about this, Adams, the Lord of the Rings is widely accepted as a classic and the originator of the modern fantasy genre. Without LotR, we wouldn't have WoW.)
That's not to say that it is impossible for a main character to be a sue of course... (See: Twilight) It is merely evidence that a character can be special, powerful, and also well-written.
The difference between all these characters and, say, Rhonin, is their relationship to the source material. Rhonin is a leech. When an author comes around and throws a pet character in that is incredibly powerful, they can easily become a sue. It is different for a character like Thrall or Malfurion (though Furion dances on the border of sue-land in the books, thanks to Knaak attaching a totally different character to the name), because Thrall and Malfurion make up the foundation of the lore, rather than being sloppily tacked onto the side like Rhonin or Med'an.
Post by
Monday
Harry Potter is the main character of the Harry Potter series (which I have admittedly not read), which is why he is one of the most powerful characters in the series, has an unusual history, and generally saves the day.
He is a sue though.
Don't get me started Harry Potter bashing or I'll bash people's ears off =P
Post by
Adamsm
Harry Potter is the main character of the Harry Potter series (which I have admittedly not read), which is why he is one of the most powerful characters in the series, has an unusual history, and generally saves the day.
He is a sue though.
Don't get me started Harry Potter bashing or I'll bash people's ears off =P
I wouldn't call him a real sue; Harry falls into the answers of what he needs, or has it given to him by others. I really think Rowling went out of her way to make him as 'normal' as she could heh.
But yeah, even among the Lore figures, there are some big sues out there in the Warcraft Universe.
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Post by
Morec0
http://www.wowwiki.com/Lucan_Foxblood
A human born in the Emerald Dream... seriously?
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Post by
Adamsm
http://www.wowwiki.com/Lucan_Foxblood
A human born in the Emerald Dream... seriously?
Not born in the Dream exactly; his father was one of more spiteful creatures and got a mortal pregnant, and Eranikus and Ysera kept the child alive, then sent him back to Azeroth... but seeing as it's a Knaak creation, you shouldn't be surprised.
Post by
Morec0
http://www.wowwiki.com/Lucan_Foxblood
A human born in the Emerald Dream... seriously?
Not born in the Dream exactly; his father was one of more spiteful creatures and got a mortal pregnant, and Eranikus and Ysera kept the child alive, then sent him back to Azeroth... but seeing as it's a Knaak creation, you shouldn't be surprised.
True, what I'm surprised by it that Blizzard didn't take one look and say "
no
."
Post by
Adamsm
He is a walking plot device, and other then teleporting people in and out of the Dream, that's about it for his sue power. No worse then some of the other creations out there, and definitely not on the level of Rhonin or Krasus(though I do like Krasus, and his Nightmare was chilling as all hell).
Post by
Morec0
(though I do like Krasus, and his Nightmare was chilling as all hell).
Do tell, probably never gona get my hands on the book (too lazy to go buy it, and its written by Knaak).
Post by
Adamsm
(though I do like Krasus, and his Nightmare was chilling as all hell).
Do tell, probably never gona get my hands on the book (too lazy to go buy it, and its written by Knaak).
Krasus get's sealed into the new Demon Soul, seeing Deathwing above him in a magnified view... then realizes he's in a Nightmare and rages trying to free himself while his physical body sleeps on.
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Adamsm
All the Worlds a Stage: Throwing a Bachelor Party in Azeroth.
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