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Monday
also I hate that the horde's gunship is crashed on deepholme but the alliance one is still standing >=(
Yes!
Post by
Adamsm
also I hate that the horde's gunship is crashed on deepholme but the alliance one is still standing >=(
Yes!
Heh, proves the Breaker was the better designed vessel.
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HiVolt
also I hate that the horde's gunship is crashed on deepholme but the alliance one is still standing >=(
Yes!
Heh, proves the Breaker was the better designed vessel.
Eh, we don't know the exact circumstance of the crash, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. :P
Post by
Adamsm
also I hate that the horde's gunship is crashed on deepholme but the alliance one is still standing >=(
Yes!
Heh, proves the Breaker was the better designed vessel.
Eh, we don't know the exact circumstance of the crash, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. :P
I still think the Breaker was the better designed ship overall anyways.
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HiVolt
I still think the Breaker was the better designed ship overall anyways.
Yeah, I think it is better designed, but I like the Hammer more for the awesome factor. I think the selling point was the giant cannon on the front.
Post by
Monday
also I hate that the horde's gunship is crashed on deepholme but the alliance one is still standing >=(
Yes!
Heh, proves the Breaker was the better designed vessel.
Eh, we don't know the exact circumstance of the crash, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. :P
I still think the Breaker was the better designed ship overall anyways.
I mean, the Hammer uses a balloon to stay up... while carrying live rounds...
This sounds dangerous to me.
Yeah, I think it is better designed, but I like the Hammer more for the awesome factor. I think the selling point was the giant cannon on the front.
Eh, I always liked Airships, and the Skybreaker wins in every way. The cannon on the front is useless IMO, since most ships will want to broadside.
Post by
Adamsm
I still think the Breaker was the better designed ship overall anyways.
Yeah, I think it is better designed, but I like the Hammer more for the awesome factor. I think the selling point was the giant cannon on the front.
Heh aye, suppose so... still a limited weapon though, if your up against something more maneuverable then you though, just needs to stay at the sides, or under it and that cannon is nothing more then a hood ornament.
Post by
Skreeran
But the Hammer still has more guns on the side (not blocked by it's own rotors... /facepalm).
And I would wager it's more stable, as long as the cloth making up the balloons is flame retardant, and the gas is non-flammable.
One good shot to the Skybreaker's rotors and it's going down.
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HiVolt
Heh aye, suppose so... still a limited weapon though, if your up against something more maneuverable then you though, just needs to stay at the sides, or under it and that cannon is nothing more then a hood ornament.
See, I think that the Skybreaker was built as sort of an all-purpose warship, where the Hammer was built as a hit-and-run ship.
The Skybreaker seems to be more of an expeditionary flagship, something that would be called in not only to serve in battle, but also something that could be truly used as a base if needed.
The Hammer, though, seems more like a hard-hitting flying artillery weapon than it does a mobile base. Almost like a flying Grond.
Basically, the Skybreaker was built to withstand heavy attack from aerial and ground units, and lacks the firepower to really make a huge impact in a battle (with the exception of the giant bomb of course, but I only see that being used as a "last-resort" weapon). Whereas the Hammer, is lighter and likely more maneuverable. It would be called in for "shock and awe" and initial siege, but would then return to the back lines to prepare for another assault if needed.
Kinda went off on a tangent... not sure where I was going with that.
Post by
Monday
But the Hammer still has more guns on the side (not blocked by it's own rotors... /facepalm).
And I would wager it's more stable, as long as the cloth making up the balloons is flame retardant, and the gas is non-flammable.
One good shot to the Skybreaker's rotors and it's going down.
Pop the balloon with a sniper shot and the Hammer is screwed.
Post by
Adamsm
No, I agree, I'm hoping we see multiple Skybreakers across Azeroth heh, preferably in places the Alliance doesn't have a strong foothold; nothing like a floating base ready to resupply as needed.
As for the maneuverable thing; I don't know, I think the Breaker would be faster, just because of the engines on it; plus, the Hammer does have that one large weakness heh, good thing the Goblins are on your side; could see them loading up one of their own with a spiked helmet into a cannon and firing it at the balloon.
Post by
Skreeran
But the Hammer still has more guns on the side (not blocked by it's own rotors... /facepalm).
And I would wager it's more stable, as long as the cloth making up the balloons is flame retardant, and the gas is non-flammable.
One good shot to the Skybreaker's rotors and it's going down.
Pop the balloon with a sniper shot and the Hammer is screwed.You can't "pop" a balloon like that. Yes, the gas will leak, but it could be hours before it finishes deflating. The Skybreaker, on the other hand, will fall like a stone the second its rotors stop turning.
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Adamsm
You can't "pop" a balloon like that. Yes, the gas will leak, but it could be hours before it finishes deflating. The Skybreaker, on the other hand, will fall like a stone the second its rotors stop turning.
Eh, a balista bolt shot through the bag would make it sink fairly quickly(I'm talking a complete through through, not just one hole).
Post by
Monday
But the Hammer still has more guns on the side (not blocked by it's own rotors... /facepalm).
And I would wager it's more stable, as long as the cloth making up the balloons is flame retardant, and the gas is non-flammable.
One good shot to the Skybreaker's rotors and it's going down.
Pop the balloon with a sniper shot and the Hammer is screwed.You can't "pop" a balloon like that. Yes, the gas will leak, but it could be hours before it finishes deflating. The Skybreaker, on the other hand, will fall like a stone the second its rotors stop turning.
Fine, use a cannon.
Seriously though, the Skybreaker would fall if one rotor was hit, but it would give it time to land with little damage. If you "pop" the balloon per se (As in shoot it with a cannon/ballista shot or perhaps a large things of ice making multiple large holes) the Hammer has no other way to fly, so it will fall and die.
Basically what HiVolt said.
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Post by
Skreeran
But the Hammer still has more guns on the side (not blocked by it's own rotors... /facepalm).
And I would wager it's more stable, as long as the cloth making up the balloons is flame retardant, and the gas is non-flammable.
One good shot to the Skybreaker's rotors and it's going down.
Pop the balloon with a sniper shot and the Hammer is screwed.You can't "pop" a balloon like that. Yes, the gas will leak, but it could be hours before it finishes deflating. The Skybreaker, on the other hand, will fall like a stone the second its rotors stop turning.
Fine, use a cannon.
Seriously though, the Skybreaker would fall if one rotor was hit, but it would give it time to land with little damage. If you "pop" the balloon per se (As in shoot it with a cannon/ballista shot or perhaps a large things of ice making multiple large holes) the Hammer has no other way to fly, so it will fall and die.
Basically what HiVolt said.Nah, I think the Hammer still wins. Slow deflation is preferable to just having a rotor stop moving and free falling.
Post by
Monday
Nah, I think the Hammer still wins. Slow deflation is preferable to just having a rotor stop moving and free falling.
Why? One rotor stopping=/=the whole thing falling. It still has one other one to guide it down. If the balloon pops or explodes the Hammer has no other way of staying up.
Although I'm not sure why we're even discussing this =P It's like comparing a submarine to a battlecruiser, they are used for different things. The Skybreaker is a more defensible ship (have fun actually blowing up a rotor) while the Hammer is more offensive (Big cannon) and faster.
Post by
HiVolt
No, I agree, I'm hoping we see multiple Skybreakers across Azeroth heh, preferably in places the Alliance doesn't have a strong foothold; nothing like a floating base ready to resupply as needed.
As for the maneuverable thing; I don't know, I think the Breaker would be faster, just because of the engines on it; plus, the Hammer does have that one large weakness heh, good thing the Goblins are on your side; could see them loading up one of their own with a spiked helmet into a cannon and firing it at the balloon.
Even still, with dirigibles like that, a sudden, single hole isn't going to bring it down instantly. You'd not only need the gas leaking, but also a good incendiary shot to ignite it(provided it is flammable) to achieve an explosive result. As Skreeran said, it would take quite awhile for the gas to just drain from the balloon. It would be time enough for the Hammer to escape the field and go into repair mode for the next round.
And I say that the Hammer is likely faster because it has a single large engine in the rear of the craft, where the Skybreaker's main engines are on the sides. The rear engine on the Hammer seems to be designed for immediate thrust, where the Skybreaker's engines seem to be designed more for sustained flight.
Post by
Rankkor
you guys seem to be forgetting several important aspects......
A: we don't know why the hammer is down...... just as it could be due to a battle between the skybreaker and the hammer, it could also be a twillight dragon atack, or a twillight hammer atack.
B: we don't know if the alliance and horde will make multiple airships, for all we know, there could be a flotilla of hammers and breakers across all azeroth.
C: and this is the big one, you all seem to think that the baloons of the hammer are made of simple cloth...... tsk tsk......
don't you know that the outside is just for show, its what's inside what counts? those baloons are made of
REINFORCED
and covered
STEEL
that's right, the only weakspot of the hammer is the baloons, but those are made of steel covered in redish cloth....... it's gonna take more than a simple balistae or sniper shot to pierce reinforced steel :P
since the hammer is more hollow than the breaker, that means it's lighter wich makes it waaay faster, and it also has something the breaker doesn't
an afterburn ROCKET
while the breaker can only hover above ground with the rotors, the hammer stays afloat with the balloons and moves foward with it's powerfull rocket engine......
it's a piece of cake for a superfast ship like the hammer to position itself for using that big-ass frontal cannon.
the only advantage the breaker has over the hammer is that the breaker is capable of carring a lot more, it's bigger capable of housing and deploying large forces of para-troopers (soldiers that launch in parachutes) and even siege engines.....
but in actual combat, it fails flat against the hammer, not only because the hammer is faster and lighter, but also because the guns of the hammer are placed in movable turrets that can aim in any direction, front+back+sideways......
while the guns on the breaker can only aim sideways.....
Post by
Monday
it's a piece of cake for a superfast ship like the hammer to position itself for using that big-ass frontal cannon.
THe only problem is that the Skybreaker has a lot more lateral movement capability than the Hammer. So if it decideds to use the gun the Skybreaker can rise above it, stopping the cannon from attacking.
And good eye on the balloon, I never noticed that =D
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