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Post by
Skreeran
Well, yeah, he's still better than Med'an's backstory was, in my opinion, who is the king of being introduced into a story and then immediately telling us how awesome he is.
But Med'an still has a lot of potential for character growth and development, Rhonin doesn't.
And Rhonin's kids... By god I'm afraid of them.
Post by
Adamsm
But Med'an still has a lot of potential for character growth and development, Rhonin doesn't.Holy crap, he complimented Med'an (looks out the window to see if the pigs are flying).
And Rhonin's kids... By god I'm afraid of them.
Luckly there won't be much for them, unless they start doing future books, as right now the twins are..... 4 or 5 I think?
Post by
Skreeran
But Med'an still has a lot of potential for character growth and development, Rhonin doesn't.Holy crap, he complimented Med'an (looks out the window to see if the pigs are flying).Heh, I still hate the way they brought him in, but I don't mind reading about him in the comics.
It's somewhat more plausible to see the son of Medivh (as implausible though it is for him to even
be
the son of Medivh) do amazing things.
Having just some random mage suddenly pop in and tell us how FIRCKING EP1K he is is just as bad, in a different way.
In the end, I'm just sick of the sues, all around, but Med'an's past and his ridiculous introduction into the story can be forgiven if he matures into a real character (although he'd certainly still be more on the sue-ish side than say, Thrall, Saurfang, or most of our old heroes).
Rhonin, on the other hand, is already an adult, and, being a favorite plaything of a certain author, will never change, in all likelihood. He's already an adult, and he's not going to suddenly become less sue-ish.
Point is... I can see Christie Golden making me like Med'an if she ever handles him (say... in the Cataclysm novel). But she will never work with Rhonin, because he's Knaak's creation. Knaak will likely continue to write him just like he's always done.
And Rhonin's kids... By god I'm afraid of them.
Luckly there won't be much for them, unless they start doing future books, as right now the twins are..... 4 or 5 I think?From your mouth to Aman'thul's ears.
UNLESS THEY COME BACK IN TIME FROM THE !@#$ING FUTURE.
Brb, gotta change my pants.
Post by
Patty
:'D
Skree, I love your comments today.
I agree, Me'dan is a joke to me more than anything else, but Rhonin is actually taken seriously by some people...
Post by
Adamsm
Point is... I can see Christie Golden making me like Med'an if she ever handles him (say... in the Cataclysm novel). But she will never work with Rhonin, because he's Knaak's creation. Knaak will likely continue to write him just like he's always done.Agreed, but that is his right... atleast(so far) it doesn't seem like Krasus and Rhonin are in Stormrage......
Me'dan is a joke to me more than anything elseDEATH!(kidding)
But yeah, Med'an has a chance to grow and become a much greater character, and for all his power.... he's learning how to control it, he doesn't just know. Even flashfrying the Faceless one, he did that combining things he learned from Meryl, Maarad and some of the Shamanism stuff he picked up..... I just wish he would get to Karazhan already, I want to see him face off against his father.
Post by
Skreeran
Oh Skreeran, have you still got really long hair?Indeed, I do... ;D
/vikingflex
Post by
Skreeran
Niice! Long Hair>Short Hair i have Long-ish Hair myself not as long as yours though :PI'll take another picture soon and you can see how epicly long it is now! :P
Post by
Skreeran
My school doesn't care about hair length as long as we get our work done. ;)
/epicvictorysolo
Post by
Patty
Get a couple of inches off.
It keeps the hair healthily untangled and grows back fairly quickly.
Anyway, back on topic, is it me or is it extremely ironic that the Alliance reject most of what is left of the free-willed people of Lordaeron?
Post by
Patty
Well, I was thinking more of how Lordaeron formed the Alliance.Now look at it...
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451455
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Post by
Patty
So, the Scarlet Crusade never wanted to crush the Forsaken while they beat the Scourge out of Capital City?
Also, according to Wowwiki... Their objectives are twofold: eliminate the Scourge, and establish a place for themselves on Azerothabandoned by those they once loved
And...I can't be arsed to link it all. Here's the
article.
Post by
Adamsm
And so this doesn't descend into another post war:
Humans wrong, Forsaken wrong. There.
Seriously, Garthios got Sylvanas help to reclaim Capital City from the Dreadlords, Sylvanas got Garthios's help to reclaim the City..... and they were both plotting to kill the other.
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Post by
Adamsm
I just need to mention something. Garrithos, before he knew Sylvannas planned to betray him, basicly called the Forsaken monsters and told them to leave right after they got Balnazzar out of Lorderron. Without them, he couldn't have done it.Yeah.... but she was already planning to kill him before he said that.......
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Post by
Skreeran
And the quest says that Sylvanas could not have retaken Lordaeron without Garithos' help as well... Garithos was also way before the Scarlet Crusade.He would have killed her, and she would have killed him.
She just happened to have the resources to back it up.
And the Crusade wasn't doing it out of revenge for Garithos, it just saw undead, and determined that that only good undead is a re-dead undead. And not the
head raping
kind.
Post by
Adamsm
Hm, I was looking at the Vindicator page on WoWwiki, trying to get into my draenei's heads more and I realized something:
Although vindicators may come from any race or culture, all vindicators share one thing in common: They harbor an unwavering desire to bring retribution upon those they deem deserving of punishment. Vindicators only avenge those things they have personally witnessed or otherwise hold irrefutable proof of the wrongs they are trying to right. Vindicators are fueled by a deep hatred, which usually comes from the loss of a loved one, the witnessing of a horrible crime or injustice, or sometimes great personal suffering experienced at some point in the past. Vindicators travel the world to punish those who have harmed others. Vindicators are stern and humorless loners, they are not the easiest persons to befriend, but once they call someone a comrade they go to great lengths to protect, or avenge him. Vindicators are driven by the need to bring what they call justice upon their enemies. They sometimes appear to be merciless zealots who would risk their lives and those of their friends to seek retribution. They may be intense and focused, but despite their ill-reputed, and seldom understood ideas of what is right and wrong, vindicators view themselves as indispensable tools of justice. Vindicators seldom respect society's laws, but are willing to work with whoever they need to complete their self-appointed task. Vindicators often take on the roles of vigilantes, imposing their unusual sense of justice on the people of their communities. While vindicators may be rash, their actions are never evil, nor do they consider the act of seeking revenge especially cruel. After all, it is the right thing to do.
Vindicators originate from the human societies of olden days. Traditionally, vindicators remained close to their homelands to ensure that their special kind of justice was brought to their people's enemies. In ancient times, most vindicators focused their attention on creatures and groups that threatened the well-being of their people or the environment in which they lived. Today vindicators roam the world to punish those who harm it. Vindicators are sometimes fanatically righteous and perceived as perverted and cruel, they are misunderstood and mistrusted. Although vindicators would argue otherwise, those who meet a vindicator perceive the hatred that drives him as a force stronger than the individual who owns it. Thus, many people view vindicators as eerie, zealous individuals who cannot control their emotions. Though it is true that vindicators tolerate little frivolity, they draw strength from their inner rage and the power of their convictions. Those few individuals who call a vindicator friend understand this, and learn to respect those who are driven by this inner fire. Vindicators work best with people who share similar values. Most vindicators are relentless defenders of whatever noble cause they adopt, and they go to great lengths to bring their special brand of retribution upon those whom they consider enemies of that cause. Vindicators who reside in towns and cities are thorns in the sides of those who live off crime. They target thieves, assassins and slavers, as well as anyone who makes a living by taking advantage of others. Vindicators are a various lot, but regardless of their pasts, they are heroic characters considered a blessing to those who are on their side, and a deadly threat to individuals whom they deem deserving of their wrath.There far more vicious then I ever thought.... and the Draenei one is kinda of interesting:
Many draenei paladins become vindicators, some become exarchs. The name of their order is the Hand of Argus. Draenei "Vindicators" are more warriors than the traditional type of paladin, they have far more emphasis upon combat than they do with the teachings of the Holy Light. Draenei Vindicators are brutal opponents on the field, capable of sending down sheets of powerful Holy magic and wielding their weapons with precision and force that is often unmatched by others. A Draenei Vindicator is a feared and respected enemy, not only to the Burning Legion, but also to the Orcs who both fear and revile these powerful combatants, having lost many a number to them in the past, particularly when they first assaulted Shattrath, mentioned in the story "Unbroken", and now in the present as they wreak vengeance upon them for past atrocities that have been committed. Presumably formed after the Burning Legion took control of Argus, Draenei Vindicators make up the bulk of the forces of the draenei, they are heavily armoured and adding to this great defense they combine the use of the Holy Light and their large weapons to both defend positions and attack enemies. Vindicators also have a position of authority within the draenei society, much as a knight or paladin would in a human one, often asking players of tasks. Heh, nothing like an order of honest to god Knights of the Round Table as your standard protectors.
Post by
Arkham
I just need to mention something. Garrithos, before he knew Sylvannas planned to betray him, basicly called the Forsaken monsters and told them to leave right after they got Balnazzar out of Lorderron. Yes, because telling them to leave--which was part of the deal they agreed on--is just as bad as going back on your word and killing the person you made the deal with. How dare he tell them to leave! What a big meanie!
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