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From the Hordes Player Guide, History of the Horde:
Furious, the warchiefs blamed each other for the failure, and the Horde’s fractured remains threatened to tear each other apart. Gul’dan knew he needed to act quickly to salvage what he could; to this end, he convinced the Shadow Council to do something unheard of. Blackhand the Destroyer was named Warchief of the Horde; he would lead the entirety of the orc race, not just his own (already formidable) clan. Many challenged the mighty Blackhand in these early days, but all were crushed, either by Blackhand’s own prowess or Gul’dan’s shadowy enforcers. Another unusual creature emerged from the darkness at this time: Garona, the now-legendary assassin. Garona was a lowly servant of Gul’dan, tasked with recording the war in writing; the mighty orc warriors held little value in reading and
writing, and the warlocks had little interest in spending their time chronicling history. Garona was a half-orc, but to this day I cannot say what her other parent was; we had thought her to be half-human early on, but she was already a young woman at this time. It would seem impossible for a human and an orc to have produced her, but her features did not match those of the draenei, or any other known race.
The humans proved to have even more tricks up their sleeves; the archmagi of the Kirin Tor and the priests of Northshire added much-needed magical support to the human armies as the battle was joined in earnest. It seemed that the catastrophic assault on Stormwind may have cost the orcs too much, but at a key point in the battles, the mighty Lord Anduin Lothar disappeared. In Lothar’s absence, the human forces were left with inferior leadership, and fell back to Stormwind’s walls. Anduin returned for only a short time, routing the orcs briefly, before disappearing again; the orcs learned later that he had first sought the Tome of Lost Divinity in the Deadmines, but his second departure was far more significant. With help from Garona and the apprentice mage Khadgar, Lothar slew his life-long friend, the traitor Medivh, in his tower. Gul’dan attempted to wrest the secret of Sargeras’s Tomb from Medivh’s mind as the Guardian died, but a psychic backlash slammed Gul’dan as Medivh perished.
At the same time, Garona infiltrated Stormwind, where she assassinated the mighty King Llane Wrynn before Lothar had a chance to return. With the king slain, morale fell, and Stormwind fell with it. Lothar arrived only in time to gather the surviving forces and retreat to the north; the orcs had won the First War.
Victory cost the orcs much; while Gul’dan remained comatose, Orgrim Doomhammer gained the title of Backstabber by slaying Blackhand and taking the mantle of Warchief of the Horde. While Orgrim was unusually loyal for an orc, he had uncovered the existence of the Shadow Council, and the truth about their manipulations of Blackhand. Doomhammer led a surprise assault on the citadel where the Shadow Council resided, and slaughtered nearly every warlock. Gul’dan awoke with a blade at his neck, and was forced to pledge his fealty to Doomhammer, whispering promises of vengeance under his breath.
So, for those who are still hazy on the Blackhand Doomhammer thing... Stormwind fell before he slew him.
Adams, this was written by some Horde-Apologist. Its not canon.
It was written by Brann Bronzebeard and Etrigg(according to the book) Darkton..... learn your facts.
And seeing as Doomhammer beat the hell out of Garona to get the information about the Shadow council......
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Fortunately, Sir Lothar was able to drive the Horde back to Blackrock Spire, which served as their primary base of operations. Here, he was ambushed by the forces of Orgrim Doomhammer. I’ve heard talk of Lothar losing to Doomhammer in single combat, and I don’t believe a word of it. Lothar’s sword would have rightly made mincemeat out of Doomhammer, like it did to anything else.
What does that have to do with what I posted Dark..... at least make the quote make sense....
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Lothar was separated from the main body of his troops in this, perhaps one of the greatest of all of Azeroth’s battles. Amid the chaos, he fought with Orgrim Doomhammer; some say he was defeated in single combat, others slaim that he was ambushed and slain by a group. Regardless, his blade fell from his dead grasp, though it did not lie cold for long. One of Lothar’s lieutenants, Turalyon, took up the rallying cry, “For Lothar!” which spread among the troops of the Alliance until the piercing howl struck fear even into the hearts of the mighty orcs. Turalyon’s unbridled assault pushed the Horde back again and again, forcing them all the way to the Dark Portal. From the Horde Player Guide.
Fortunately, Sir Lothar was able to drive the Horde back to Blackrock Spire, which served as their primary base of operations. Here, he was ambushed by the forces of Orgrim Doomhammer. I’ve heard talk of Lothar losing to Doomhammer in single combat, and I don’t believe a word of it. Lothar’s sword would have rightly made mincemeat out of Doomhammer, like it did to anything else. Lothar was a good man, one of the best leaders I’ve ever had the pleasure of working with. He will be missed. The orcs made a huge mistake in killing Lothar; most soldiers loved Lothar like their own father, and his death drove us to new lengths of desperation. Turalyon, Lothar’s lieutenant, succeeded where no other had; he led the Alliance to victory at Blackrock Spire.There's the Alliance Version of the same battle.... notice anything interesting about that it?
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No, these are the original informations before the Retcon; this is the same information you see in game. And yes I edited in Etrigg... because I meant to put that there originally, for as it says here in the start of the history chapter:
First, I would like to thank the wise warrior Eitrigg for his aid in compiling this information, especially on
the history of the Horde. The Warchief was kind enough to lend Eitrigg’s services as a loremaster to me for this
work, and I feel that I could not have possibly done as complete a report without his aid.
At Thrall’s request, I
have made a copy of this text for each of the leaders of the Horde, and he has given me his blessing to distribute
copies to Jaina Proudmoore and Tyrande Whisperwind as well. I will also retain my own copies of the work for
use in the Explorers’ Guild; however, due to the nature of some of the information contained herein I have
agreed not to distribute it to every ol’ lad in the Alliance. After all, I’m not trying to help orcs kill humans here,
or vice versa — I believe both the Alliance and the Horde need to make some major changes in order to survive
this bloody war, and you’ll see more of what I mean here. My thanks as well to the many other contributors to
this text, though you are far too numerous to name.
Leaders of the Horde, I humbly beseech you to pay heed to my words in this report. I know some among you
believe my goal is to weaken and divide you, and I can give you only my word that that is the furthest from my
intent. Read on, and learn what I have learned.
Sincerely,
High Explorer Brann Bronzebeard of the Explorers’ GuildBrann and Etrigg worked together on it.
There's the Alliance Version of the same battle.... notice anything interesting about that it?
The 'ambushed' question was evaded.
I never said one was more right than the other.
Both are just wrong in some places due to being out-dated or baised.
No, both parts talk about it; the Horde one is just more conflicted then the Alliance one but Brann does talk about the ambush for both....
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You linked the Wowwiki timeline, between the betrayal and the fall of the Keep were the battles for 3 other locations, its too much time for Garona to be misinformed as well as shows that the timeline of that article is old.
She was mind-controlled at the time, right? What she knows would have to be what the Shadow Council knows, and they thought everything was running smoothly.
Blackhand's death "running smoothly?" I beg to differ, Gul'dan may have been in a coma, but I have no doubt that he had others that kept their eyes on Blackhand. So your idea - even if it is possibly true - hold no watter.
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As for the ambush/battle:
Brann says he doesn't
believe
Lothar could be beaten.
Aaron Rosenberg outright narrates the battle as an omnicient third party.
Who is right?
I'd put the statements from an omnicient third party over the heresay belief of an in story observer.
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Neither were written by Brann because he is a fictional character.So is everyone lol; Llane never died because he was a fictional character, Garona never killed anyone because she's a fictional character.... Anyways, in basis of pure 'lore' Brann is the voice of Blizzard for the purposes of Warcraft; he is the Scribe of the Planet after all, going everywhere and anywhere.
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Both are just wrong in some places due to being out-dated or baised.
Any and every source has bias.
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Got an add here on the side of my screen for "World of Lordcraft..." :P
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