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Post by
d2thomas
Yes and no. Healing Way is only really useful when casting Healing Wave (not something many raid healing shamans would do given the alternative LHW), where Healing Focus benefits all shaman healing spells. I personally take both (for my normal healing spec) but that is because my gear has outgrown Elemental Weapons (not hard to do). So if you feel like you need all the SP you can get, take Elemental Weapons instead of Healing Way. If you feel like you have enough SP, drop Elemental Weapons for Healing Way. Regardless you should always have Healing Focus.
Post by
cosmicguen
Yes and no. Healing Way is only really useful when casting Healing Wave (not something many raid healing shamans would do given the alternative LHW), where Healing Focus benefits all shaman healing spells. I personally take both (for my normal healing spec) but that is because my gear has outgrown Elemental Weapons (not hard to do). So if you feel like you need all the SP you can get, take Elemental Weapons instead of Healing Way. If you feel like you have enough SP, drop Elemental Weapons for Healing Way. Regardless you should always have Healing Focus.
Meh. Elemental Weapons is crap anyway. What is it? 45sp? Something like that.
I use HW a lot more than LHW nowadays. If someone needs a heal that I think a Riptide or CH bounce can't cover, he's getting a HW. I keep Tidal Waves procced, so it's always buffed. It's also partly anticpatory of any more incoming damage, so I'm not chucking LHW and then realising he's been hit again and needs another.
Even doing that I'm always 1st or 2nd on healing done, and
always
bottom of overhealing. Meters aren't everything, but that combo is enough to make me carry on the way I am :P
Just my 2cp
Post by
66520
where Healing Focus benefits all shaman healing spells.
But only benefits them while taking raid damage that causes pushback
Post by
d2thomas
Meh. Elemental Weapons is crap anyway. What is it? 45sp? Something like that.
I use HW a lot more than LHW nowadays. If someone needs a heal that I think a Riptide or CH bounce can't cover, he's getting a HW. I keep Tidal Waves procced, so it's always buffed. It's also partly anticpatory of any more incoming damage, so I'm not chucking LHW and then realising he's been hit again and needs another.
Even doing that I'm always 1st or 2nd on healing done, and
always
bottom of overhealing. Meters aren't everything, but that combo is enough to make me carry on the way I am :P
Just my 2cp
Wouldn't you want to use your Tidal Waves to crit LHW to consume a water orb (possibly improved), proc Ancestral Healing on your target and Ancestral Awakening on who ever is lowest?
where Healing Focus benefits all shaman healing spells.
But only benefits them while taking raid damage that causes pushback
This is true. Like I said before I actually have both talents. However when I had to choose one or the other I valued that reduction in pushback over the 20% increase to HW (which I do not utilize that much). It honestly may come down to what content you are raiding and your spell selection to determine which would benefit you more.
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cosmicguen
Meh. Elemental Weapons is crap anyway. What is it? 45sp? Something like that.
I use HW a lot more than LHW nowadays. If someone needs a heal that I think a Riptide or CH bounce can't cover, he's getting a HW.
Wouldn't you want to use your Tidal Waves to crit LHW to consume a water orb (possibly improved), proc Ancestral Healing on your target and Ancestral Awakening on who ever is lowest
Sorry, I was talking about a fast, guaranteed fill-the-bar heal if I'm not 100% sure the incoming damage has stopped. That may have been unclear.
It's also partly anticpatory of any more incoming damage, so I'm not chucking LHW and then realising he's been hit again and needs another.
Basically cutting down on my GCD's. Nothing irritates me more than realising I've used a GCD to heal a dps I already healed when I could be using it to heal the tank or myself. I also use the Glyph of HW, so I'm getting free heals on myself in those raid-damage fights. Which I believe is most of them.
LHW's get chucked around as and when required - usually when someone has been walloped once but not taken any further damage - that's LHW time as I'm fairly sure he's got no more incoming damage.
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d2thomas
Meh. Elemental Weapons is crap anyway. What is it? 45sp? Something like that.
I use HW a lot more than LHW nowadays. If someone needs a heal that I think a Riptide or CH bounce can't cover, he's getting a HW.
Wouldn't you want to use your Tidal Waves to crit LHW to consume a water orb (possibly improved), proc Ancestral Healing on your target and Ancestral Awakening on who ever is lowest
Sorry, I was talking about a fast, guaranteed fill-the-bar heal if I'm not 100% sure the incoming damage has stopped. That may have been unclear.
It's also partly anticpatory of any more incoming damage, so I'm not chucking LHW and then realising he's been hit again and needs another.
Basically cutting down on my GCD's. Nothing irritates me more than realising I've used a GCD to heal a dps I already healed when I could be using it to heal the tank or myself. I also use the Glyph of HW, so I'm getting free heals on myself in those raid-damage fights. Which I believe is most of them.
LHW's get chucked around as and when required - usually when someone has been walloped once but not taken any further damage - that's LHW time as I'm fairly sure he's got no more incoming damage.
I don't know about you but my LHW crits for the same amount as a faster HW. Plus proc'ing Ancestral Healing reduces that damage that is incoming....
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Post by
Mesoforte
I don't know about you but my LHW crits for the same amount as a faster HW. Plus proc'ing Ancestral Healing reduces that damage that is incoming....
Really? My LHW crits for 8k, and my HW hits for 11k.
Maybe its a gear difference.
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cosmicguen
I don't know about you but my LHW crits for the same amount as a faster HW. Plus proc'ing Ancestral Healing reduces that damage that is incoming....
Well then that's where we differ. My LHW's
don't
crit for as much as a fast HW. I don't know why, but there's always at least a 2k difference in there, and frankly? Gimme +2k. My crit rating is about 30% from gear alone, and then with raid buffs and procs and other gribblies going off I've seen it rocket up and over 40% fairly often so the chance my HW is going to crit is pretty good.
Also remember I said I was using the glyph of HW, which heals me every time I use HW. So in a raid damage situation I can afford to throw off 2 CH's (away from me) and then HW whoever missed a bounce for whatever reason.
Ancestral Healing also only reduces incoming physical damage, so it's not doing you any favours when, say, Kologarn starts hollering OBLIVION! (As far as I know that's nature damage and not physical)
I do agree with you, LHW is a great little spell. I'm just looking at utilising all my spells, and I find a lot of use for HW. As trollvink says, it's down to preference. I prefer to boost my HW because I use it because it works for me.
Anecdote, feel free to skip: The
only time
I ever found myself wishing for Healing Focus was one night on Gluth. Our zommer tank had never been in that role before and 4 or 5 of them decided to come and nom on me. Nobody noticed. In the end I just ran to the zommer tank, let him pick them up, and ran back.
Looks like the OP ran away from the thread anyway :P
Post by
totemmunkey
I say you're both correct because it's all playstyle. That's what I love about our class healing. We can use various methods depending on what we prefer to achieve successful results. It also has to do with how high your stat percentages are. I see higher haste working in favor for cosmicguen while higher crit works better for Mesoforte.
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321419
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Post by
cosmicguen
It may be that you don't have Lesser Healing Wave glyphed. When I tank heal my HW hits for 10k non-crit and LHW crits hit for 10k because of the glyph increasing LHW by 20%.
What it boils down to is that a shaman's healing style, and what works best for him/her, is totally dependent on glyphs, preferred stacked stats, and role. You've only got a few spells to use, so how you're using them makes a massive impact. Just from reading this short thread we can determine that's true.
And people tell me shaman aren't flexible healers ;)
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Post by
alpha5099
Well personnally I come down to consider that...
1)LWH and riptide as PVP heal spell with pvp crit gear, since it don't make the green flash neon of your position, with ES on self.
2)HW and riptide as MT heal with ES on tank and WS on self.
3)CH and riptide as RAID heal with Earthliving and CH glyph, to get 25% of earthliving proc on 4 target per castof CH...still not sure if glyph of healing stream totem is good to take?
Since riptide is consumed by CH why should I take Riptide glyph?
From what I've read here on Wowhead and over at EJ, the Earthliving glyph does not work the way you would think it does. It isn't a flat 5% increase, but rather 5% of the current 20% chance, meaning you only get a 1% increase to EL with it.
# Glyph of Earthliving Weapon is not recommended. It increases the 20% base chance by 5% to 21%. Another weakness is Earthliving is mostly over healing.
http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t24796-shaman_restoration/#Glyphs
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