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Expected DPS of a Moonkin
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Celdhyrean
It's difficult to answer what a moonkin in Ulduar or ToC should do (he should do the same you are asking form any other dps with a small penalty for not being pure), i'd rather try to tell you what a moonkin with Nax gear or Ulduar or Uld/ToC gear should be able to do.
- T7 : ~5k (more with most iLvl 226 T7 items)
- T8 (without hard mode gear) : 5k5-6k
- ToC : 6k5-7k
Ulduar is a bit of a bother to guestimate because of the lack of Patchwerk fights and the fact that several of the most important fights use gimmicks which largely inflate dps numbers. I've tried to adapt those from what i saw from my performances (reducing it somewhat because i usually end up having good gear for my tier content), considering encounters that would be mostly stand and nuke (Patchwerk, 1st Northrend beast boss, and hunches for Ulduar :/).
It's not the maximal performance but a dps level that should be reachable with that type of gear and without being an exceptionnal player. Naturally, when i say T7/T8/..., i'm supposing the moonkin we are looking at has items amongst the best few of that tier and not some badly itemized thing which drops there but nobody wants.
Edit : i'm also talking guild raids with all expected buffs and all players playing well, i'd expect quite less in a pug.
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Gilean82
It's really dependent on the fight. I've been pushing 4.1k in the Koralon and Emalon fight for 25's, with a mix of 219 and 226 (and T9 healing Gloves / Shoulders).
My experience is that as long as you are doing 4.5k+ for hard modes, the guild leader isn't likely to ^&*!@. YMMV.
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Celdhyrean
If you find a 40% difference between you and others (at equivalent gear levels), the fault lies with yourself and not the spec.
I'm currently sitting between 6k and 6k5 in ToC 25 or other mostly stand and nuke fights with enough length to be statistically usable. I have mostly T8 gear (non-hard mode) and a few T9 content items (245 idol, ring and belt, 232 OH and shoulders).
If i was sitting 40% under other classes (due to spec mecanics), they'd be doing 10k on single target dps without having the best gear out there (nor speed potions and the like) which isn't the case.
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Kaitain
My guilds best mage does 7k+, best warlock regularly does close to 8k. I do 5k - 6k. Gear level is equivalent, and i don't think i am doing much wrong.
The lock does 25% more than me when I hit 6k, and that is largely spec mechanics. However, i often get RNGed down to 5k, while the locks and mages keep their numbers consistently, so that 25% becomes well over 30%.
So i agree 40% is overstating it, but it needs to be known that Blizzard's repeated statements that hybrid DPS should be within 5% of Pure DPS is not something they actually achieve, nor have they ever. It's one of their design aims, not their design reality.
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Celdhyrean
Meh. As i prefaced, it's really something difficult to compare, but looking at pure dps fights and considering i peaked at 5k7 in BiS T7 (except Penant and IoDS), that top full BiS moonkins were sometimes managing ~6k fights (on fights lasting more than 2min), and that this was pre-spirit buff and pre-eclipse buff, your numbers surprise me. Also, i know that we are RNG prone, but 20% difference also seems too big to me.
Ulduar is a pain in the ass to get numbers for, but Northrend beasts do allow for some mostly single target dps (dots ticking on boss while bursting snobolds, but the target change probably somewhat compensates for that) without too many interruption, and i am doing 6k-6k5 without speed potion or heroism/bloodlust.
My armory is currently in healing gear but you can use the wowhead profile to see where i stand in terms of moonkin gear (makes me notice that i should switch bracers back to Unsullied with the epic gem).
In the end, i'd agree on 15-20% difference (it's a bit difficult for me to judge as i generally am top 3/5 dps with very small margin meaning our other dps'ers aren't all quite where they should be).As i said, the fact that i'm already doing 6k and that Ulduar bis people from world best guilds are at 10k on fights where they also benefit from aoe (i'd put them at 8k+ on single target dps) makes me think that the difference must be lower than what you are stating.
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Kaitain
Perhaps I am doing a few things wrong, and my gear is not ideal (over hit capped, amongst other things). And perhaps the high-7k numbers i see from pure classes are on fights with some dot/aoe advantages. I wasn't paying too much attention beyond gaping at the four digit number on recount that started with a 7. Also - i don't think there is a huge amount of difference between what the mages/locks in the world's best guilds do and what thousands of "lesser" players do, many of them in low achieving guilds. There's only a few buttons at the end of the day.
I'll agree with 15-20%.
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Kaitain
We have 2 hunters and 2 mages that routinely do 9.6k, so apparently the fault lies with you, because ur dps is way low compared with them. If somebody raises an issue and there are so many responses, why are you such a Richard Celd? It's obvious that Boomkins are nerfed compared to the dps classes, why lie about it? Does it make you feel superior? That feeling makes you a Richard - remember it the next time you feel like being this unhelpful.
Wut? He was pretty helpful imo, as he always is.
My only reason for commenting was because Celd's initial:
(he should do the same you are asking form any other dps with a small penalty for not being pure)
did sound like a reference to Blizzard's Hybrid DPS = 95% of pure DPS philosophy, which i don't believe is holding up in game. I was sort of speculating that what he meant tbh. Worth noting also that while the top pure DPSers in my guild rip me up on the meters, in turn i rip up a few other pures that don't play well, illustrating that ability is by
far
the largest factor. Which i think ultimately was Celd's point.
And the OPs DPS
is
too low.
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QuestionC
3.5k is less than I'm accustomed to seeing, but if you're pulling 3.5k on Beasts, then you have enough DPS to carry yourself through all of ToC except for Anub'arak. ToC is extremely gentle in terms of DPS requirements.
The current revision of the game is fairly kind to Moonkin, and you should be able to compare yourself directly with equivalently geared casters. Expect yourself to do slightly less damage than the Mages and Warlocks, but slightly more damage than the Priests and Shammies.
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