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Post by
Eleazer
Gemming Dodge/Stam Gems or Defense gems maximizes avoidance. Stam stacking is fine especially after the recent nerf to tanks. The main reason for dodge gems is it gives you more rune strikes which give you more threat.
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Post by
Orranis
Stamina > Avoidance.
Reason 1: Random Number Generator. You could have 99% avoidance, and get hit 10/10 times. Healers like predictacable tanks, not tanks who take stupid amounts of damage, get full healed, then take no damage and are forced into over healing.
Reason 2: Diminishing Returns. If you gemmed EVERYTHING you had into avoidance, you'd gain mabye 2-3% avoidance. If you gemmed EVERYTHING into stamina, you could get 5-6k stamina, which is made even better by the lack of RNG of mitigation and stamina.
Post by
Aris
I always socket for the socket bonus's to maximize the total amount of item points recieved.
Blue Sockets: +30 Stam
Red Sockets: +10 Dodge/+15 Stam
Yellow: +10 Def/+15 Stam, OR +10 Hit/+15 Stam if i'm under the hit cap
Post by
Bonurmum
I always socket for the socket bonus's to maximize the total amount of item points recieved.
Or you could simply get better stats from gemming and ignore the socket bonus completely (10 dodge + 15 stam + 6 stam socketed is in no way better than a straight 30 stamina)
Meta bonus is all you need, and all you should focus for unless your severely undergeared and in need of avoidance or defense.
Past that your gimping your stats.
Post by
Aris
How is getting extra tanking stats gimping yourself in any way?
Blizzard assigns value to every stat, which is how you get item levels on your gear. 10 dodge is worth just as much as 15 stam. So getting 10 dodge and a socket bonus over just 15 more stam and no socket bonus increases your piece of gears effective item level slightly. You do it on all your gear and it adds up.
Post by
MegaVolt
How is getting extra tanking stats gimping yourself in any way?
Blizzard assigns value to every stat, which is how you get item levels on your gear. 10 dodge is worth just as much as 15 stam. So getting 10 dodge and a socket bonus over just 15 more stam and no socket bonus increases your piece of gears effective item level slightly. You do it on all your gear and it adds up.
That's certainly true but the problem is that the value each stat has for you personally doesn't really have to be the same as the value blizzard assigns to it with their item points.
Staying with your example: If you are already very heavy into the diminishing returns on dodge then getting 10 more provides very little benefit to you. While Blizzard makes it take up 15 item points it may actually be worth only about 5 item points to you (since it is diminished that much).
The 30 stamina gem is worth 30 points for you. 10 dodge + 15 stamina + 6 stamaina fromt he bonus would then be worth only 26 points for you personally. Clearly a loss.
It's all about stat balance, you should know what you personally need, how far into diminishing returns for certain stats you already are and then gem accordingly. Which, with current itemization and high lvl items, usually means going for stamina.
(on a side note: in that example a 10 expertise / 15 stamina gem would be the best choice for the red socket, expertise doesn't suffer the diminishing returns you see from dodge and the reduction of parry hasted events helps a LOT for tanking - assuming that you are still below 15% expertise (which basically every tank is since that cap is extremely hard to reach)).
About the initial question: If said you put it on "sort by threat". Stamina doesn't increase your threat. Avoidance will give you more Rune Strikes and therefor increase your threat. Obviously rawr will then value avoidance higher then stamina since you did set the priority to threat. But this completely neglectible threat increase is in no way worth sacrificing stamina for.
Post by
Bonurmum
It adds up, it also adds up to less than what you could get simply from gemming what you need.
If you just happen to put a purple 10 dodge 15 stam in a red socket to help benefit your meta as well as get that bonus stam then that is doing a smart thing.
Going all out on filling every socket bonus is just bad, filling that yellow slot with extra defense is rather pointless and you will get much less from your gear.
Post by
Bllets
filling that yellow slot with extra defense is rather pointless and you will get much less from your gear.
Unless of course that little extra defense push you over the 540 limit ;)
Post by
Bonurmum
extra defense
key word there o;
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299366
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Post by
MegaVolt
Yes, expertise!
It's what sets good and bad tanks apart.
Below 6.5% you are seriously hurting your threat.
Below 15% you are seriously hurting your healers since you get parry hasted attacks all the time.
(Just in case you don't know what that is: If a boss has a parry his next swing comes in faster. Since every dps should attack from behind you are the only one who can trigger that parry. Each time you do you take additional damage. Parry hasted attacks are one of the main reasons for tank death since they result in huge spiky damage. Reducing the chance to be parried as much as possible means to reduce the incoming damage and mainly to make it much less spiky.)
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Bonurmum
If your going to attempt a raid I'd say 1 or 2 expertise gems would go far, you are a good way from being capped and its a great threat booster.
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