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The Future of Anduin Wrynn
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Post by
Skreeran
Anduin had to convince him to meet with Thrall on both occasions.
Seeing as how you have like every page of the comic on photobucket, why dont you show me?... I also would like to see what happend to Garona after Med'an was kiddnapped in the middle of the fight if you dont mind... And the whole peace meeting, so i can see if Anduin's little remark was aimmed at Varian and Garrosh, or just Garrosh, and to find out if its true the peace meeting went pretty ok until Twilight showed up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cyberman8/WoW13-010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cyberman8/world_of_warcraft_15_011.jpg
Well there you go, he is mind zapped by Prestor the first time, and the second he had just finished being enslaved by them for years, whats he supposed to think?He said he was fighting off his lethargy. And he gave reasons for his refusal, it wasn't just "I didn't feel like it." Anduin had to convince him to go.
When did we kill children?
Dont lie, I know you read Rise of the Lich KingI don't recall a child killed by the New Horde in RotLK.
Can you show me the peace summit talk? I hear Varian tried to end WSG.Sure, lemme upload it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cyberman8/WC17p10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cyberman8/WC17p11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cyberman8/WC17p12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/cyberman8/WC17p16.jpg
Post by
HiVolt
Now, this is all assuming one crucial thing that we do not yet know: How well did he take Bolvar's death, and has his father, or any other influential figure in his life had any influence on how he has taken it? Basically meaning, has Bolvar's death itself, or someone's words about the Horde being behind Bolvar's death turned him off to ideas of peace?
Bolvar calls the horde "filth" in the "Order Must be Restored" quest.
And, I know you all find it hard to belive, but Varian is leading us to victory. Vanillia WoW was nice, but enough screwing around. Its time to tell the horde they can not kill children and get away with it. That may be so, but Anduin still shows pretense for peace before Bolvar's death, so despite Bolvar's views on the subject, Anduin still understood that peace was something that must be worked toward. My question wasn't about how Bolvar felt about the Horde, but how Anduin would respond to Bolvar's death.
The following took place just before Wrath of the Lich King.
At last Arthas, every human who spawned such as you shall be slaugheterd.
-Sylvanas as she watchs a human girl die slowly from a plague, and die; Sylvanas was laughing the whole time.
Natrually I want a leader willing to stand for this.
Of course Anduin's ideas have changed, he is a smart kid.
He should have a clue on this. This is yet another one of the things that may affect him, if he does indeed know about it. From what I understood, this was a rather secretive thing that not all people would be privy to. But then again, I haven't been able to find RotLK on my bookstore shelves, so I don't really know the context of this situation.
Anduin can sve the Alliance from the dark path its going down
What dark path?Well, many consider any type of war a dark path. Even though I see it as inevitable and sometimes necessary, I won't disagree that it isn't dark. That's the best I can say on the subject, since I've seen no indication of the Alliance working with less than reputable forces.
Post by
451455
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Darkton. In every thread so far you have insulted posters who have and haven't insulted you or your belief that your favourite character lore is wrong, or something bad about him.
They give you plenty of warning to balance out your debates, but you always end up rearing some kind of emotional nerdrage and making yourself look even more foolish.
Perhaps its the reason you enjoy Varian so much is because he reflects some of your own emotional baggage.
Learn to post on debates and topics on a level people will want to discuss, rather then forcing your views with blocked capitals like its meant to make your opinion more valid then anyone elses.
Post by
HiVolt
Darkton. In every thread so far you have insulted posters who have and haven't insulted you or your belief that your favourite character lore is wrong, or something bad about him.
They give you plenty of warning to balance out your debates, but you always end up rearing some kind of emotional nerdrage and making yourself look even more foolish.
Perhaps its the reason you enjoy Varian so much is because he reflects some of your own emotional baggage.
Learn to post on debates and topics on a level people will want to discuss, rather then forcing your views with blocked capitals like its meant to make your opinion more valid then anyone elses.
Keep it civil, I'd rather not have one of my threads locked due to the words of others. This thread is about Anduin, not personal grudges between posters, let it go.
Post by
Skreeran
Thanks for up loading it, it seemed interesting. Goes to show Varian
tried
peace. And its nice to see things a little more interesting then fighting a commen foe.
This,
but for Varian.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Your right HiV0LT4G3, I'll stick to the subject.
And yes thank you for posting those pages up here Skreeran. This sheds some proper details into events as they played at on theramore, and also gives way to another fact it seems.
In the comic as its shown here, it show both horde, as lead up Thrall, and alliance, as lead by Varian, came under the behurst of Jaina to find peace, and Anduin showing quite remarkably a smart and driven young prince who holds no tension towards the orcs at all, even speaking to them as he did Garrosh as any intelligent ruler would able to do.
Despite my thoughts on Varian, I have respect for his son.
Now, on the other fact of this, it almost seems this part of lore as it was played out, as important as it seemed, could also have been completely erased from the lore as it goes in game, there was never any suggestion in game of Varian attending peace summits, or Thrall trying to reach agreement with him, as well as Thrall recognise he and Varian had more in common then first thought.
It just seems to conflict with the lore, and also like its more even part of it in the games lore itself. Its a lot smarter for one then the games lore, and proves how devided the writer are on the issue of keeping things held close.
On the one hand you have Varian agreeing to meet with Thrall on theramore peacefully to discuss whats important, but in the game is was never suggested this took place and just had Varian ingame refering to all orcs and horde as 'savages' from the start.
Its frustrating to say the least.
As for Anduin, having him stand up to Garrosh on what is more important, shows he is able to meet anyone at there own level, like a king should do, with reason and morality.
I'm hoping, hoping hoping hoping, that Anduin doesn't develop into Varian 2, and stays on the path he's like now.
Post by
Skreeran
Why we gotta have war, man... We should love eachother. Peace and love, man...
Sorry, that's all I could think of while reading this thread (including my own posts) and listening to
this
... :P
Post by
taurenmoo812
Why we gotta have war, man... We should love eachother. Peace and love, man...
Sorry, that's all I could think of while reading this thread (including my own posts) and listening to
this
... :P
Well.. urm.. we tried that, along with thrall and jaina in flower children Ts... but Garrosh kind of got on stage and broke the speakers... sigh...
Post by
Skreeran
Why we gotta have war, man... We should love eachother. Peace and love, man...
Sorry, that's all I could think of while reading this thread (including my own posts) and listening to
this
... :P
Well.. urm.. we tried that, along with thrall and jaina in flower children Ts... but Garrosh kind of got on stage and broke the speakers... sigh...Here, lemme go buy him a bag o' weed. That'll calm him down.
Post by
HiVolt
Why we gotta have war, man... We should love eachother. Peace and love, man...
Sorry, that's all I could think of while reading this thread (including my own posts) and listening to
this
... :P
Well.. urm.. we tried that, along with thrall and jaina in flower children Ts... but Garrosh kind of got on stage and broke the speakers... sigh...Here, lemme go buy him a bag o' weed. That'll calm him down.
If only it worked that way... then again, Warcraft would probably be way more boring.
Post by
Skreeran
Why we gotta have war, man... We should love eachother. Peace and love, man...
Sorry, that's all I could think of while reading this thread (including my own posts) and listening to
this
... :P
Well.. urm.. we tried that, along with thrall and jaina in flower children Ts... but Garrosh kind of got on stage and broke the speakers... sigh...Here, lemme go buy him a bag o' weed. That'll calm him down.
If only it worked that way... then again, Warcraft would probably be way more boring.I disagree. I think it'd be a lot more interesting... in a trippy way.
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389776
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Post by
Septimus
Why we gotta have war, man... We should love eachother. Peace and love, man...
Sorry, that's all I could think of while reading this thread (including my own posts) and listening to
this
... :P
Well.. urm.. we tried that, along with thrall and jaina in flower children Ts... but Garrosh kind of got on stage and broke the speakers... sigh...Here, lemme go buy him a bag o'
weed
. That'll calm him down.
If only it worked that way... then again, Warcraft would probably be way more boring.I disagree. I think it'd be a lot more interesting... in a trippy way.
Fix'd.
Post by
Patty
This thread just started, and Morec and Patty thediehardhordefanboys have already insulted Varian... how sad.Kek. Ever heard of an old saying something along the lines of a "pot calling the kettle black"? Well, that's you. No need to flame us. All we have said is given our opinions on how Varian is currently acting as a
bad leader.
He wants war. War = Death. The War isn't really necessary. Therefore: Unnecessary war = unnecessary death. Do you need me to draw a diagram?
VARIAN IS NOT GOING TO DIE, AND HE IS A GENOIUS WHEN IT COMES TO DIPLOMACY
Sorry, I never knew he would live as long as Velen or Tyrande, I must have been mistaken in thinking he was a human.
This
tells me he's not immortal. Varian is only good at diplomacy when everyone else calms him down. Look at Theramore, in the comics. That is...before mind-controlled Garona and the Twilight's Hammer show up.
Back to the topic, Anduin becoming king may not even ever happen, and if it does, it will be years from now. Yes, and this thread about our opinions on how he will lead when he gets there.
Post by
451455
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Post by
HiVolt
Darkton. In every thread so far you have insulted posters who have and haven't insulted you or your belief that your favourite character lore is wrong, or something bad about him.
They give you plenty of warning to balance out your debates, but you always end up rearing some kind of emotional nerdrage and making yourself look even more foolish.
Perhaps its the reason you enjoy Varian so much is because he reflects some of your own emotional baggage.
Learn to post on debates and topics on a level people will want to discuss, rather then forcing your views with blocked capitals like its meant to make your opinion more valid then anyone elses.
Well Taruenmoo, this is really a look whos talking moument.
I
leave it all in the threads
about
Varian, wheres you just bring him up and complain on any thread, no matter what it is.
... And i never said Varian is my favorite. I would have to scroll down the major lore character page on Wowwiki again, but he is at best my third. Turalyon #1, and Illidan #2.
I told you countless amounts of times that he is not acting on the past, and you constenly bash him for the same thing. Ya, i admit im a fanboy..., but
your
nerd rage
is
OVER 90000!
.
I understand why you might want to respond to taurenmoo's post, darkton, but please, don't address things like this anymore, at least not in my thread. I've never had a thread of mine locked, and I'd rather not start now.
Back to the subject though.
Now, to make this about Anduin... we really have no way of knowing.... But if he were to, as Patty said, I would say it would be no different then his dad. Just my vote. Kids are to young to hate, its the adults that take stands, decide wheater war is best or not, and all that jazz.
I can see what you mean by us not knowing how he will lead, but we can still reasonably infer on how he might lead in the future. All we have to do is take into account his past leadership experience, his demeanor, and the possibilities for his future, and we can make an educated guess on the idea.
I would like to know why exactly you think that he would be a mirror of his father. I'm not implying that he won't be, but I'd really like more of an explanation.
Post by
Patty
I don't. Anduin had a great quote against Garrosh when he was talking of war.
He also has a much more level headed approach. Taken from his
Wowwiki
article:
"Meeting Thrall would be great, dad. From what I've heard... He's extraordinary. And
isn't establishing peace something a king should do? If he can
?"
"Why waste your warriors and resources in battle when
a few words will bring you greater profit
?" Said to Garrosh Hellscream during the summit at Theramore
"You're anxious to return to Stormwind? But there's so much to
discuss
here that
may insure our kingdom's future peace and prosperity
."
He's pretty wise for a....13(?) year old.
Post by
Morec0
That's one smart kid.
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451455
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