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Would if be unfair if feral could cast in form?
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Valer
Shifting to caster for if a pretty large penality.
FIrst costs mana to get back into form. So on top of the actual spell we cast we also have to cast one more to get back into formto eat our mana. Also we lose quite a bit of survivability.
Would it be so unfair for us to cast in feral forms? I dont see why we couldnt lore wise. Not like we could keep on healing forever when he have about 6k mana max and no healing cost reduction talents.
As a hybrid class we have access to a wider range of spells, this makes up for not being focused on a single strategy. But ferals dont get this like other hybrids, except maybe shadow priests i feel sorry for them, like 1000 mana to chance form or something like that, but at least they got shield still in shadow form.
The instant cyclone buffs nice, and even helps with survivability issue of casting it. But would be even nicer if it didnt take us out of form, its just makes it feel over complex and clunky.
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Valer
Thats kind of true but Enh Shamans and Ret Paladins dont really have to worry about resource managment.
They return enough mana to not worry about spending it. Except for constant healing. I think u have a point though.
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meowliekacat
I'd never leave bear form.
... But this is coming from a resto druid. And this would be extremely op.
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Lightrain
I'd never leave bear form.
... But this is coming from a resto druid. And this would be extremely op.
This.
Also, blizzard needs to fix the scripting for swapping forms before they decide to "make us shapeshift more" as Peachbull said.
I was stuck in caster 8 times last night alone from powershifting poisons, novas, and CoI's, and my shifting/powershifting doesn't require double clicking or ever entering human form. It's in the scripting and needs to be addressed as I got gibbed by a RPM solely because of nova catching me stealthed and the rogue being instantly on me while trying to powershift out of the snare.
Since when did blizzard state that switching between bear and cat form was supposed to be dangerous? Or power shifting in cat form?
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Valer
Dunno about that, im sure druid have mental powers. To avoid it being too powerful for resto you would make it a deep feral ability.
The shapeshifting bug is extremely annoying, you get stuck in caster form because your able to change out of form when stunned but not back. Because of lag its actually impossible know when exactly your stunned so if you shift at the same moment somone stunned you your stuck in caster vulerable to being nuked down. Blizz is too lazy to sort it out though.
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Valer
Alright to make it simpler just let you cast cyclone and entangling roots.
Post by
Tarkeel
As was aluded to earlier, I believe the main reason we can't cast in forms isn't because it would be overpowering for ferals. It would be overpowering for the casters who could then get the bonuses of feral form while casting their normal spells.
It's really about time that feral got their "own" form to set them apart from other druids :p
Post by
skribs
Letting ferals cast in form would have these (some obvious, some not) results:
1) Cast in between energy regen - it takes 4.2 seconds to get the energy to cast a spell, and cats have a 1.0 sec GCD. Even if a 1.5 sec GCD was enforced on non-cat spells, this still allows you to put up balance or resto effects in between cat abilities.
2) Uber tanks - yeah it'd be slightly less HPS, and DK's can self heal - this would allow feral tanks to basically add in their own HPS, probably more than that of a DK. Although this would be less OP.
3) Synergy with ILotP - if you're getting mana back for melee hits, then you're capable of keeping up the extra attacks/heals. So without caster gear, you're likely to still be able to do a lot of casting while meleeing.
4) Range - part of the nerf of going into a feral form is that your range becomes limitted. Without a charge, you can't hit anything outside of melee. If you could cast in combat, that makes it even easier to catch runners, etc. Druids already have a 50% snare, 30% faster movement, and Charge in cat form - as well as the ability to power shift out of snares - it would be quite OP for them to have all that and still have range (boomkin doesn't have the speed boost without travel form, and roots break whereas IW doesnt).
Basically, what this would do is make a druid instead of just a feral druid - also have the effects of an undergeared balance or resto as well. The fact it uses 2 separate resource systems sets it apart from the other hybrids, as well as the fact that its the ONLY class capable of melee, range, tank, or healer - shamans cant tank and paladins cant do much DPS from range. So if Blizzard did do this, they would have to rebalance the entire class around it.
Now, you talk specifically about CC, but each druid form has its own CC - caster forms have roots/cyclone, bear has bash/FC(B), and cat has pounce/maim, as well as both ferals having IW. Its not that cat/bear don't have CC - its just different.
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Kramp
The reason you can't cast in bear or kitty form is the fact you can't speak and you don't have hands to cast spells. If you can't do the incantation you can't cast the spell.
Video games scarified common sense for playability a long time.
As a cat, I can disenchant.
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Lightrain
OK, we're going on tangents.
Lets just say this. For the instant cast nature spell after a finisher change they are making to feral, it would be very good if we could cast this one spell in form.
Possibly OP, but it would be safer for us ferals since blizzard obviously isn't going to fix the scripting issue with form changing. I'm pretty sure everyone who has fought a good feral in 2's already thinks we are OP.... But w/e.
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