Post by pichu
well i´ve read the whole thread, ill leave here my 50 cent.
there are 2 separate topics along the 3 pages. One, is about DW being op in front of blood and unholy.
i wouldnt state that so fast. both specs (i talk about blood and DW frost)has theyre own pros/cons.
blood is burst damage= once u reach 60 rp, u can pop hysteria+DRW. thats THE MOST !@#$ING BURST EVER. that works for short fights (reminding shart3d zerg, while the 30 secs of hysteria and good use of erw, u can put 9000-9500 dps with a i219weapon), or for others where the burst phases are predictable and u can 3min time it.
on the other hand, a frost DW build would "suck" on a shart3d, mostly because u cant even stack the 10 razorcine stacks on it and hes already dead, while u are very procc dependant (km,rime, and trinkets, in my case, mjolnir runestone and greatness card) what mades it imposible to put out all the dps u could. The same goes for encounters like mimiron HM, whats very phase changy, and u dont usually spend more than 30 secs in a row hitting him. here blood really goes ahead of DW.
but there are also other fights, like "regular" patchwerk "tank&spank" fights, maybe with a little movement or downtime.
more, if u are doing those type of bosses and theres a enhan chamy on ur raid, thats where u can put out the max dps u´re able to, by using glyph of disease and saving ur frost/unholy runes for more OB instead of spending at least the frost rune on icy talons, or if u use HB glyph, many times ull need to use both runes when rime doesnt procc properly.
pointed this, i admit that i usually play frost DW instead of blood, besides being specced on both, and save blood spec for those fights i know its gonna rock.
the other part of the discussion, is going about BcB and such. Well, as i´ve stated some times on this forums, im 100% pro speccing into blood for crit+ap instead of going into unholy.
i dont know about what ur maths are, but real playing numbers has shown me that a 15/54/2 spec is FAR AHEAD of any other one specced into unholy. even RAWR (a tool that i dont usually give much credit) proofs my point, putting my build 600 dps ahead of the frost/unholy one (7100 against 6500) on the same equal gear
on a "standard" raid buffed simulation for a "standard" 3m lenght fight.
always standing at 60% or higher crit rate on obliterate hit and hitting for 8.5k+4.5k for average does make the difference, 6000+ dps on any 25man fight with 2x aledra`s battlestar (i219) and average EoC gear does proff my point :P
I have no idea what half of this post is even about because it was so terribly worded. On that point, blood sub spec outperforms unholy when you have a low gear level and no raid buffs, but it's easy to see necrosis scales far better with gear than bladed armor does and extra crit is really pointless.
Haste benefits Subversion GoD specs more than crit because of already high crit, but when one is referring to a 53/18, haste is less beneficial because of low crit chance, but the spec needs haste to bring up it's damage from white damage boosters so in my opinion the spec contradicts itself; it is the product of over-analysis.
about ur last paragraph, its a product of people spending more time with the windows calculator and the spells database, instead of trying everything by themselves.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uldum&n=Pichucai dont think my gear is "low lvl gear", im not a top raider (even a raider, this is my alter and has never stepped into a guild raid) and i think its pretty good geared, have been putting around 4800dps on algalon 10man with not the best raid buffs possible for a melee. my numbers in a 53/18 spec always were the same: nearly 3% on BcB and less than 4% dmg for necrosis. that means a 7% damage "boost" for a 18% damage loss on obliterate. im sorry but i cant see the benefict of it. Maybe for some encounters where the damage output is powered by the encounter mecanics it scales better, like lets say iron council... thadius... or maybe twin valkyrs?
and once again, all data shown here since the patch and the DW reborn has been theorycrafting and have not saw a single live analysis with some real numbers on real fights and real meditions
maybe 99% of ppl is right and im in the 1% whos wrong, but i need some proofs to change my point :P