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Post by
Orranis
Wow, tough break... Sorry Hordies :(
(Deathwing takes a dump on stormwind keep)
oooh thats rough.
/facepalm
I know this post is over half a year old, but seriously... wtf was the point in saying this?
The irony of making a pointless post about how a pointless post is pointless must be lost on you.
Wait... aw, crap.
Post by
Neffy
according to 4 chan leak
carine challenges garrosh to a non lethal dual to win over the horde bla bla. garrosh thinks taurens are the &*!@ so he says sure thing dude
carine and garrosh are in an arena fighting but carine was posioned by magatha and dies landing on garroshes axe. garrosh freaks the !@#$ out and locks him self in his citidel. magatha takes over tb, garrosh slaps out of his freak out puts on mammoroths head on his shoulder and beats the #$%^ out of the grim totems as well as puts baine blood hoof incharge
i really like this, garrosh feels more real of a character than thrall will ever be
From an MMO-Champion
post
. Seems like pure speculation but I would like this to happen.
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Post by
chilargar
the title of "warchief" can only be held by an orc. even though
this
says that a non orc CANT not be warchief, lets be honest there has to be an orc at the helm of the horde... imo after seeing the improvements garrosh has made to orgrimmar im all for backing him as long as he doesnt do something supremely foolish. and we also need to remember, pit lords are few and far between, in azeroth or outland, so theres not much of a chance for the orcs to regress to fel-orcs. and i think cairne will either die in battle or pass from old age, at which point baine bloodhoof will assume control of Thunder Bluff....
Post by
taurenmoo812
the title of "warchief" can only be held by an orc. even though
this
says that a non orc CANT not be warchief, lets be honest there has to be an orc at the helm of the horde... imo after seeing the improvements garrosh has made to orgrimmar im all for backing him as long as he doesnt do something supremely foolish. and we also need to remember, pit lords are few and far between, in azeroth or outland, so theres not much of a chance for the orcs to regress to fel-orcs. and i think cairne will either die in battle or pass from old age, at which point baine bloodhoof will assume control of Thunder Bluff....
Oh yeah that'll make ripples ¬.¬
Do people purposely forget all the crap garrosh has done, enforced or said since he appeared, and believe that somehow he's candy dipped in caramel. This whole thing is the new shoe syndrome, because its new, it must be better somehow, even if its a peice of crap.
Post by
chilargar
the title of "warchief" can only be held by an orc. even though
this
says that a non orc CANT not be warchief, lets be honest there has to be an orc at the helm of the horde... imo after seeing the improvements garrosh has made to orgrimmar im all for backing him as long as he doesnt do something supremely foolish. and we also need to remember, pit lords are few and far between, in azeroth or outland, so theres not much of a chance for the orcs to regress to fel-orcs. and i think cairne will either die in battle or pass from old age, at which point baine bloodhoof will assume control of Thunder Bluff....
Oh yeah that'll make ripples ¬.¬
Do people purposely forget all the crap garrosh has done, enforced or said since he appeared, and believe that somehow he's candy dipped in caramel. This whole thing is the new shoe syndrome, because its new, it must be better somehow, even if its a peice of crap.
tauren, garrosh has done or said nothing that deserves ire yet, so until he does do sumthing supremely stupid i will back him
Post by
FarseerLolotea
tauren, garrosh has done or said nothing that deserves ire yet, so until he does do sumthing supremely stupid i will back himHe has, actually. Basically, he's been a roaring loudmouth with poor impulse control throughout Wrath. And he tried to claim that bashing babies' heads in was justified.
Why did you
think
Varok Saurfang threatened to kill him if he screwed up?
Post by
chilargar
tauren, garrosh has done or said nothing that deserves ire yet, so until he does do sumthing supremely stupid i will back himHe has, actually. Basically, he's been a roaring loudmouth with poor impulse control throughout Wrath. And he tried to claim that bashing babies' heads in was justified.
Why did you
think
Varok Saurfang threatened to kill him if he screwed up?
look at his father, im not trying to defend myself at this point, because i know no matter what i would say to try to defend myself, you guys would just keep pushing, so ill back off. grom was the exact same way, a loudmouth with poor impulse control, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a great clan leader.
Post by
totemmunkey
do new users purposely seek out old threads to necro? cus im starting to notice that trend.
You know regardless of how he put it, what reason does he not have to bring this thread up again? Its a related subject to events that are about to transpire in wow, so instead of making a new thread he found this one more related to what he wanted to talk about.
The necro'ing of a thread wasn't my issue. It's the fact that he necro'd such an old rumor that's no longer widely believed because of new information. It would be like necro'ing an old thread debating about what new Hero Class or races we would get in Cataclysm...
Post by
FarseerLolotea
look at his father, im not trying to defend myself at this point, because i know no matter what i would say to try to defend myself, you guys would just keep pushing, so ill back off. grom was the exact same way, a loudmouth with poor impulse control, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a great clan leader.Grom gets props mainly because of his heroic sacrifice. In other words, because of how he
died
. "Great clan leader" is stretching it.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
look at his father, im not trying to defend myself at this point, because i know no matter what i would say to try to defend myself, you guys would just keep pushing, so ill back off. grom was the exact same way, a loudmouth with poor impulse control, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a great clan leader.
I do have to agree. Well I've always respected Grom for his sacrifice, he didn't lead his people in any positive way at all, instead he made some impulse choices that could have ruined his people and corrupted them for good.
As for Garrosh, the broken front was an example of whats to come, under Garrosh's ideology, those that follow his way of doing things will end up the same, dying in stupid and pointless manners that active nothing, and not even any sense of honor. Thats what caused that, the warsong ideology.
Post by
Rankkor
look at his father, im not trying to defend myself at this point, because i know no matter what i would say to try to defend myself, you guys would just keep pushing, so ill back off. grom was the exact same way, a loudmouth with poor impulse control, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a great clan leader.
hold your horses man, Grom WAS NOT the exact same way, Grom was a much better orc than garrosh ever will be.
for a start, Grom knew when to show mercy and when to deny it, Grom Knew that killing children was bad and NEVER aproved it (he had to learn this the hard way, he killed a lot of draenei children and by the time of Lord of the Clans he shows great regret about it, and forbids the murder of a human child his men captured)
then we have the next part, Grom Respects the warchief, even when he didn't agreed with Thrall he still knew his place and obeyed the Warchief, for that is the duty of EVERY ORC. Thrall ordered him to step down the battle and cut wood in the forest, Grom was upset about that, but he still obeyed his warchief, and he NEVER EVER disrespected him.
and finnaly we have the last part: Grom actually showed regret for his mistakes, acknoleging that he was wrong, and that his actions would only doom the horde (main reason he never tried to become warchief) He Showed such regret that he was willing to attone for it, and he did attoned for it, he sacrificed his life to save his people from the very hole he draged them in.
Also he was a kickass leader, the warsong coudn't had asked for a better chieftain, should I remind you that other than the exiled frostwolves, the warsong was the ONLY CLAN TO NEVER BE CAPTURED BY THE ALLIANCE? he was the one who led them that way, showing them the values of mercy and honor, and kept them safe for over 20 years, Grom is much smarter than people give him credit for.
then we have Garrosh, a guy who is the exact oposite.
He denies mercy at all times, his way of doing things is "kill them all" he's all for it when it comes to killing children, because "they can grow up and take arms against us".
he TREATS THE WARCHIEF LIKE DIRT, seriously thrall tries to teach garrosh something and he insults and offends his warchief, if Thrall was a lesser man Garrosh would had tasted the business's end of the DoomHammer a long time ago. look at the violet Citadel, he doubts Thrall is a "True Warchief", and in the tournament he also shows disrespect again to Thrall.
and last but not least, Garrosh refuses to admit when he is wrong, from is POV everything he does is awesome because his daddy is the one who freed the horde from the blood curse. and so anyone who says otherwise is an idiot to him.
Post by
Rankkor
to prove my point, here's a segment of the book "Lord of the Clans"
For a proper context for those who haven't read the book (and by not doing so, missing the most crowning moment of awesome on the history of the orcish kind)
Thrall had escaped Durnhold Keep, he had been searching for the warsong clan, and for Hellscream specifically, he had heard that the mighty hellscream had never been defeated nor captured before, and he wished to meet him, to try and restore the future of the orcs.
when he found the warsong clan (or rather, the warsong orcs found him) they took him to a cave, made him fight 3 of their champions and Thrall won, but afterwards they brought a tied human boy, and demanded Thrall to kill the boy, offering the same stupid logic of Garrosh "Kill him so that he may not grow and take arms against us"
Thrall refused, and just at that moment, this event happens in the book, Read and be Illuminated those who would call Grom a "Bad chieftain".
At that moment, a terrible scream pierced the still, cool air. It echoed and reverberated through the
cavern, hurting Thrall’s ears and piercing him to the bone. He shrank back from the noise. The animal
skin covering one of the caves was torn down and a tall, red-eyed orc emerged. Thrall had gotten used to the appearance of his people, but this orc was unlike any he had yet seen.
Long black hair flowed down his back in a thick tangle. Each large ear was pierced several times,
reminding Thrall oddly of Sergeant, and the dozen or so rings glinted in the firelight. His leather clothing of red and black contrasted strikingly with his green skin, and several chains attached to various places on his body swayed with his movements. His entire jaw seemed to be painted black, and at the moment, it was open wider than Thrall would have believed possible. It was he who was making the terrifying noise, and Thrall realized that Grom Hellscream had gotten his name for a very good reason.
The shriek faded, and Grom spoke. “Never had I thought to see this!” He marched up to Thrall and
stared at him. His eyes were flame-colored, and something dark and frightening seemed to dance in their centers in place of pupils. Thrall assumed the comment to be derogatory, but he was not about to be cowed. He drew himself up to his full imposing height, determined to meet death with an unbowed head.
He opened his mouth to reply to Grom’s comment, but the orc chieftain continued.
“How is it you know of mercy, Thrall of Durnholde? How is it you know when to offer it, and for what
reasons?”
The orcs were murmuring among themselves now, confused. Iskar bowed.
“Noble Hellscream,” he began, “we had thought that this child’s capture would please you. We
expected —”
“Iwould expect that its parents would track it down to our lair, you fool!” cried Grom. “We are
warriors, fierce and proud. At least we once were.” He shuddered, as if from a fever, and for a moment seemed to Thrall to be pale and tired. But that impression was gone as quickly as it had come. “
We do not butcher children
. I assume whoever caught the whelp had the presence of mind to blindfold it?”
“Of course, lord,” said Rekshak, looking offended.
“Then take him back where you found him the same way.” Hellscream marched over to the child and
removed the gag. The boy was too terrified to cry out. “Listen to me, tiny human. Tell your people that
the orcs had you, and chose not to harm you. Tell them,” and he looked over at Thrall, “that they showed you mercy. Also tell them if they try to find us, they will fail. We will be on the move soon. Do you understand?”
The boy nodded. “Good.” To Rekshak, he said, “Take him back.Now.
And the next time you find a
human pup, leave it be
.”
Rekshak nodded. With a definite lack of gentleness, he took the boy by the arm and hauled him to his
feet.
“Rekshak,” said Grom, his harsh voice heavy with warning. “If you disobey me and the boy comes to
harm, I shall know of it. And I shall not forgive.”
Rekshak scowled impotently. “As my lord wills,” he said, and, still roughly hauling the boy, began to
ascend one of the many winding stone corridors that emptied into the cavern.
Iskar looked confused. “My lord,” he began, “this is the pet of Blackmoore! He stinks of humans, he
brags of his fear of killing — ”
“
I have no fear of killing those who deserve to die
,” Thrall growled. “
I do not choose to kill those who do not
.”
Hellscream reached out and put a hand on Iskar’s shoulder, then placed the other on Thrall’s, reaching up to do so.
“Iskar, my old friend,” he said, his rough voice soft, “you have seen me when the bloodlust has come upon me. You have seen me wade in blood up to my knees. I have killed the children of the humans ere now.
But we gave all we had fighting in that manner, and where has it brought us? Low and defeated, our kind slouch in camps and lift no hand to free themselves, let alone fight for others. That way of fighting, of making war, has brought us to this.
Long have I thought that the ancestors would show me a new way, a way to win back what we have lost.
It is a fool who repeats the same actions expecting a different outcome, and whatever I may be, I am not a fool
. Thrall was strong enough to defeat the finest we had to offer. He has tasted humankind’s ways and turned his back on them to be free. He has escaped from the camps and against the odds managed to find me.
I agree with his choices here today.
One day, my old friend, you, too, will see the wisdom in this
.”
as you can see, a stubborn mule who refuses to learn from his mistakes is a bad chieftain, but grom while prone to screwing up, did learned of his mistakes all the time and actually put an effort to be better for is people. He even admitted how wrong he was for his former way of fighting, as that way only brought defat and ruin to the orcs, when they chose to forget their honor and fight like mad beasts.
It was his brash personality and taint from the demon curse wich drove him to insane feats of massacre, but when he was cooled down, he was as wise and smart as a true Chieftain of the Warsong should be. Not for nothing in 20 years after the war was over the warsong clan was never captured.
Post by
Rankkor
it would be awesome that Thrall uses his shamanistic powers to make the ghost of Grom have a little Chat with his son.
(don't look at me like that, it's completely posible, Greatmother Geya does this to every horde player regardless of class, to make us comunicate with Mother Kashur)
a Chat like that would be EPIC.
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Monday
/facepalm. Again.
And this brings up bad memories of taurenmoo...
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