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Is Ret Pally so over powered?
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On topic: I believe the OP is looking for comments from experienced arena veterans as to how a particular class and spec will fair against a Ret Paladin. He wants to create a table that would show something like:
Druid
Balance
--- Owned by Ret Paladin
Feral
--- Even against Ret Paladin
Resto
--- Owned by Ret Paladin
To the OP: PvP is not really meant to be balanced at a one versus one level. Certain classes and specs will always fare far better against certain other class/spec combinations. For instance, a healing spec of any class will almost always die when fighting a DPS spec of any class 1v1.
Additionally, trying to rely on a 1v1 comparison will skew your opinion, since there is no 1v1 bracket. You would need to actually create a matrix showing a Ret Paladin and fighting and , which would be a
massive
table and probably would not yield any data of real value.
Post by
fearbefore
Well, although I don't understand what you're asking with that whole, 'survey' thing, I will throw my two cents in.
I play as a destro lock, mostly furious gear, lucky drops off of VoA 25 and some of it I have earned on my own. I don't PvP a whole lot, but I do 2's with my IRL every now and then. We got close to 2k arena raiting last season, so we did quite well.
Anyhow, whenever I am farming on him, I farm in my PvP gear/spec, just in case I encounter problems. Once while farming for herbs in storm peaks, I encountered four different ret paladins, and I fought each one of them. They were all four different, and even the 2 in their pvp gear couldn't bring me down below 80% HP. Really, imo, skill is always better than gear. The only time it isn't, is if your skill is equal with another player and they have better gear.
For isntance, I once dueled an extremely geared Frost Mage, ( way annoying) and we were both about equal in skill and he was beating me with 35% HP everytime.
So, ret paladins were OP, aren't as bad anymore, but everyone still calls them that.
It's just basically a stereotype that's been placed on them from noobs. I find rogues, priests, and frost mages a lot more annoying than anything else.
Post by
Kalisha
It's just basically a stereotype that's been placed on them from noobs. I find rogues, priests, and frost mages a lot more annoying than anything else.
Of course skill and gear is a huge factor in any fight - but taking those two factors out of the equation, some classes are simply better equipped to deal with retribution paladins than others. The last patch calmed them down somewhat, but they're still brutal for some classes.
As a holy paladin (current project), I don't have a huge issue with them. One on one they'll kill me. Eventually. Or they'll fall asleep trying. I can pretty much ignore them in any group setting... or stun them and run away. Of course this is speaking only for myself - I'm sure there are other holy paladins out there that fail less at going on the offensive than I do.
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Haxzor
This post comes from a Ret Pally standpoint: Even though I don't Arena much (I find them boring) I have been successful in Arena's. On the rare occasion that I do Arena, I do it with some RL friends (very poorly geared Enh Shaman, poorly geared Ass Rogue, PvE geared Holy Pally) and we seem to do fairly well, even against better teams, which would lead me to believe that I am skilled (I don't have numbers for it - but then again, numbers aren't everything). I will tell you how I typically fair against each class 1v1 assuming equal gear and equal skill (in duels, even though Arena =/= Duel).
Druid:
-balance - I destroy; Absolutely no contest
-feral - Even
-restoration - I will never actually lose, but I'll never actually win... Even with Wing's+Trinkets popped in my PvE gear (way more crit and AP) a good Resto
Shaman
will outheal my "burst" with ease.
proof ret pallys are noobs
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proof ret pallys are noobs
Well if I'm a noob and I can pwn you, what does that make you? The dirt under the toenail of a noob's mother-in-law?
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hashmel
well according to kenyon9996 ret pallies are OP vs everything but blood DKs and destro locks so that's 28/30 specs a ret wins according to him...made me lol. in all honesty though bear>everything and ties with the most 1337 of kiters and should be counted separately from cat
haven't dueled a frost mage since the shapeshifting cost reduction got slapped on KoTJ so bears may win instead of tying now
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hashmel
so nobody's mentioned ret vs ret yet...would that cause a space-time distortion destroying the very fabric of existence then from the heavens descends a tauren pally accompanied by 50 tauren rogues nobody is aware of to quell the violence?
please learn to compare bear and cat on separate grounds to others not as one, ty
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