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Druic CC in Faction Champions fight
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Emmerald
Hi,
I was attempting the Faction Champions encounter in the new Trial of the Crusader raid instance, and it didn't go too well. We had too many un-cc:d targets running around (i.e. not enough coordination since it was a non-HC raid).
In order to improve the control, does anyone know if a Druid can CC one target alone? By that I mean, if I chain-Cyclone the Warrior until immune, can I then switch to Roots for another chain? And once immune to that, can I switch back to Cyclone?
Or should we "double team" on the target?
Thanking for help, Emmerald
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QuestionC
It takes 15 seconds for DR to wear off, so you could probably re-cyclone after rooting, but cyclones don't provide enough time for the root DR to wear off.
Also, it just wouldn't work if the target had any snare breaks. The warrior's bladestorm breaks roots I believe. Also, he's not that put off by roots since his intercept means he's next to allies 90% of the time anyhow.
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pelf
Exactly my experience. Me and the other feral in our raids are assigned a target to lock down until they're ready for it. It's usually the moonkin, warrior, death knight, priest. I do exactly as parra does with the addition of rooting them if they're a melee class.
We're very good at this.
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curlymon
Exactly my experience. Me and the other feral in our raids are assigned a target to lock down until they're ready for it. It's usually the moonkin, warrior, death knight, priest. I do exactly as parra does with the addition of rooting them if they're a melee class.
We're very good at this.
I'm mostly boomkin for this but i do know that taunt works as well if only for the duration of the forced taunt portion of the spell. But other then that exactly the same.
We usually burn down the pets first. Then two heals. Then the shadow priest (if present). Then the last heals. Lastly the rest in no really particular order.
Totem stomping is a plus.
The biggest thing you need to have is dispells. We have a pally that does 160+ dispels each time we have downed them with an avg of about 300 total for all downings so far.
Post by
Tweakr
You just have to realize you can't go overboard on cc's. Giving out too many assignments can really be a bad thing. I've led pugs through Faction Champs, and my guild has down'd them in 25. For the most part the best strat is to have people do some cc that's convenient, burn one healer then either a rogue or spriest, healer, rest of the dps.
Having your tanks and either a dk or rogue locking up a few melee and the 2nd healer. This has worked wonderfull in 10 man. If you have too many people chaining cc's and what not there isn't enough dps to burn some of them down before people start to drop.
I was asked on one of the 25 man attempts to do some cyclone with a mage's sheep to keep something locked up but it dropped my HPS by about 1k and people died quite a bit faster.
It just seems that taking 2 of the tanks, and one more to hold up some people, every one else just playing smart maybe some cc's here and there are a good way to go.
Oh yeah and dispels is just a way of playing smart, as my alt shammy, Purge Purge, is your friend =P
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Tweakr
that's a really nice macro, I'll have to remember that one. I would imagine that it could be quite useful with a number of spells.
Post by
Kaitain
Hi,
I was attempting the Faction Champions encounter in the new Trial of the Crusader raid instance, and it didn't go too well. We had too many un-cc:d targets running around (i.e. not enough coordination since it was a non-HC raid).
In order to improve the control, does anyone know if a Druid can CC one target alone? By that I mean, if I chain-Cyclone the Warrior until immune, can I then switch to Roots for another chain? And once immune to that, can I switch back to Cyclone?
Or should we "double team" on the target?
Thanking for help, Emmerald
We rotated CC with warlocks. 2 mobs 1 moonkin 1 lock.
Cyclone
cyclone
fear
fear
small gap
repeat
when he was fearing one mob i cyclone the other, back and forth
I had the nuke target on focus for easy reselecting and was selecting mobs to CC, although a mouseover cyclone macro would probably have simplified things.
The warrior NPC has bladestorm to get out of roots sometimes, but his Bladestorm is easily healable.
A few of the mobs (the rogue for example) we had a single Arms warrior just sit on it the whole fight. Kept it bleeding (it cloaks too much for FF) and taunted as necessary.
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MegaVolt
now, heroic is another matter entirely... we discovered today that in heroic, they are all taunt-immune. roots is 10/5/2.5 seconds so you can keep something rooted through the entire cyclone DR... but cyclone is 6/3/1.5 so in every 30 second time frame, there will be a window of about five seconds where you can't use either one. a feral druid could cover this with brutal impact/feral charge but any other spec of druid would need help to prevent their CC target from being loose for a bit.
I found that out the hard way, too. Normal mode was a walk in the park and we could just burn them down without many issues. Heroic on the other hand ... it hurts. We didn't even get the warlock pet down :( I almost got the impression that CC becomes close to useless.
What's the best strategy to do them on heroic? Just get more CC so that the insane diminishing returns are eventually overcome?
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Dewchugger
As bear, I usually take care of the warrior or DK in the group. I taunt until DM, then cyclone until DM. Then repeat.
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Katsudon
Zerging a healer with minimal CC works for 10m, but It doesn't seem to work in 25m. Has anyone beaten 25m Faction champions without a FoK-spec rogue?
From personal experiences, if your resto, don't bother using too many cyclones, it hurts your healing too much having to babysit a mob. If your feral, you can lock down a healer a good amount with the previously mentioned cc chain (talent to reduce bash cd helps alot) unless its the tree druid who will get off his rejuvs between stuns.
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